Long time fan, 1st time poster... but I was enraged at the stupidity of this episode.

1. Why not use Claires Blood to Heal Nathan?

2. Why couldn't Peter become Nathan for a while instead of some psycho killer like Sylar?

3. What happened to Nathan's body?

4. Nathan was just as bad for mutant right as Sylar ever could be.

5. The bestest bad ass battle of all was shown off screen? WTF?!?!?!

Several of us were watching this absolutely dumbfound, wondering whether or not we were even going to bother to watch next season if the writing was goign to continue to be so assinine!

Fire that writer why don't you. STUPID!

1) cause its gay..and always a way for anyone to come back at any time. "Here, let me bleed on you, trust me...it will save you." The recet button must GO. Now its GONE. Like Peter's use of any power at any time, and Heroe's power to teleaport. Bye Bye now.
2)I dont understand your question? And do what...Peter as Nathan? Explain.
3)who cares...they got rid of it, dumped it in a ditch. Parkman walked it out like a trashbag. They have powers...its just gone.
4)Yes, which is why HE's dead. They ripped his character apart and let him go out in a good way, but we also get to keep him around now that Sylar think's he's him. Also, Sylar wasn't for any rights. Sylar just wanted Power. He would've put all the Powerpeople into a camp, and those who were normal, who apposed him, would'be been black-bagged and taken to another camp. In the end though, I get it. Yes, Nathan had alot of bad writing: he's good, now he's for locking them up--but only if he's incharge casue he'll do it in a good way, now he wants to stop what he's started as if he didn't see this coming down the road. I get it. I was just as mad as you...but its over now.
5)Ya. Look up HITCH ****. Remember, this show is more about Drama than Supers throwing down...I too would've like to have seen the throwdown, but it doesn't bother me. That much costly Special effects, plus fans going "hey, why didn't he do____ instead of using ____, that would've saved him?" would've driven us all nuts. Too many powers, too short of time. I get why they didn't do it...again, its gone. Let it go.

Thanks.

If they would have ressurected Nathan with claires blood, everyone would be mad, using an old idea for a seson finale? And I guess they still could do that, next season. Who knows what they did with the body? We don't know how long a body can be dead before claires blood can work.
Second, I agree with you! Peter could have morphed into Nathan, dealt with the Prez, and they could have come up with some story as to why he disappears. But Angela has some sylar fettish, or really wants him for a son. As for the battle scene, I'm glad we didn't see it. My imagination is probably better than what they would have shown on t.v.

Tim Kring, the executive producer, whose name appears after the Heroes title screen, wrote the episode.

I agree with the poster who said the show should be handed over to Bryan Fuller.

LOL- As to the writer- I think they're still trying to correct mistakes made from the previous two volumes. Give 'em a little time. They just got Fuller back and his influence, while noticeable in the episodes he wrote, still has to be ramped up to full (er....yeah)
To #s 1 & 3: If they did save Nathan with Claire's blood would they reveal that right away? No- they'd wait 'til some crucial point in the story line to go TA-DA! We saved Nathan after all.

#2: With all the complaining there has been about Peter being dumb and whimpy do you really think that would be a wise choice?
#4- Have no idea what you mean

#5- I admit, I was disappointed with that too, but if their budget is slim then that's the only way to do it.

Slim budget? They put a strobe light on the inside of the room and shook the doors. Surely their budget allowed for more than that.

I completely agree with Claire blood/old idea/season finale point. Maybe Nathan's in cold storage, they may still need to do the Claire's blood thing when Sylar pushes his way to the surface. Nathan's going to be one tortured character next season!

Good point about the Angela's Sylar fetish! This is a way for her to have her Sylar and her Nathan too.

I don't uderstand the dealing with the Prez point. I thought the mission was to (1) keep Sylar away from the Prez so that Sylar wouldn't be able to steal the Prez's identity and (2) to capture/destroy Sylar, both directives acomplished, no?

And it will be quite interesting.

I'm guessing they will indeed put Nathan in cold storage, seeing as we never saw what happened to the body. Should this whole Dr. Nathan and Mr. Sylar thing not work out (i.e., Zach Quinto decides he wants back into the show full time) they can pull out the corpse, inject it with Essence of Claire-Bear, and viola! Status quo restored.

I would, however, like to hear some in story explanation for why the blood cure wasn't used. Trying to remember how long Bennett was dead, if a time limit exists or something.

Another thing on DykeZuki's point #2

"Why couldn't Peter become Nathan for a while instead of some psycho killer like Sylar?"

I think the hope is that everything that made Sylar Sylar (experiences, memories, etc.) is destroyed never to return and replaced with everything that makes Nathan, Nathan. The idea/hope is that this is permanent.

For the second question. I think Peter does not know that it is SyNathan and Angela did not want to let him or Claire know. hence why Peter would not be Nathan.

In her own twisted head, she probably loves the thought of Nathan strong with all of Sylar's ability, but his own history and soul. She has lost so much in her life... she doesn't want to lose Nathan, or control of her life to the government. She's justifying and rationalizing her own complexes.

These have been answered before, but here's my shot-

Because they don't want to do this any more because it's too easy. Let's see if they stick to it or will there be another convenient time to pull out this card. If they EVER do it again they should just resign.

Some people don't seem to understand this question. I think you mean why wouldn't they just kill Sylar and let Peter assume the role of Nathan for a while, then have a tragic fishing incident or something. This is a good question. Seems a lot safer to me.

Didn't get nearly the respect that Sylar's did.

Some people don't get this question. You mean that Nathan has been as powerful a negative influence in the show as Sylar, which is pretty much true. Despite his good intentions, Nathan has overall been a force for "bad". Not that his Mom saw it that way.

Agreed. And what the heck were they doing anyway? What exactly was Nathan doing other than flying around like a pesky fly?

This show needs to be taken away from it's creator. Tim K does for this show what George L. did to Star Wars in episodes 1-3. Just because you are the creator of a series or concept doesn't mean you are competent to keep it going.

#2 - They did not know what ability (or abilities) Peter took from Sylar at that point. Hell, we dont even know really. We seen what? Lightining and shapeshifting? Who knows what, thats probably a part of why we did not see the fight.

Also, they probably thought they were killing 2 birds with one stone. Getting rid of Sylar would be a huge plus - especially for Noahs perspective. It's not like they could just stab him anymore with his kill spot moved.

#5 - I would have loved to see that fight too, but I dont think budget choices were the only reason they did not show it. They coudl have used "cheaper" special effects like TK and still had a great fight. I believe they chose to not show the fight - I'm betting they intentionally did not show it because they are saving the big Peter vs Sylar fight for a finale.

[quote name='DykeZuki' date='Apr 28 2009, 01:29 PM' post='3851455']
Long time fan, 1st time poster... but I was enraged at the stupidity of this episode.

1. Why not use Claires Blood to Heal Nathan?

2. Why couldn't Peter become Nathan for a while instead of some psycho killer like Sylar?

3. What happened to Nathan's body?

4. Nathan was just as bad for mutant right as Sylar ever could be.

5. The bestest bad ass battle of all was shown off screen? WTF?!?!?!

Several of us were watching this absolutely dumbfound, wondering whether or not we were even going to bother to watch next season if the writing was goign to continue to be so assinine!

Fire that writer why don't you. STUPID!

DykeZ
I'm with you. This is my first time posting. I'm trippin because I had the same exact analogy as you. I think they may have lost me as a viewer. I can't belive a show that kept me in suspense suddenly sh!t the bed. I am so bored with sylar it's pathetic. Everybody has problems with their powers except sylar. Even when peter had the same powers as sylar he was still weeker. For GOD Sakes kill sylar already and bring on a new villan. If they intend to keep him as the villan the entire time I'm already over this show. As far as (wadegarrets) comments I don't know what the **** he is talking about???

That may all be true.

Yet the writers must deal with the precedents set by previous shows. If at the roundtable everyone agrees that Claire's ability to lend her regeneration to another through a blood infusion creates a weakness in the fabric of the show, and takes away the accountability of demise, then they have to be held accountable for explaining why the "reality" of her power has changed. You can't act like the "reset (note the "S") button" is gone...you have to dismantle it or put it in a locked box.

The fact of the matter is that, whatever way you rationalize it to yourself, the show itself didn't explain or even attempt to reconcile this. They ignored it and acted as though none of the characters involved had any knowledge of that option and never even considered it. They should have given a compelling reason why, and they decided act like it never happened. They can't stick to "it" because they don't have anything to stick to...other than the fact that Claire's blood can heal any wound and reanimate the dead.

It's poor storytelling and it's just lazy.

The best way to handle the "overpowered" abilities is better writing. This is a superhero television show. The characters are "Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound!"

That's the genre. How about we see some of that?

Yes, all Peter and Nathan could do is fly at him, and they lost the element of surprise when Claire was thrown out of the room and Sylar lit up his electric hands, hitting one of them with a lightning bolt. By all means he should have been able to kill them both quite easily, or at least keep Peter from touching him.

Exactly. Even though the argument could be made that he didn't seem to have any real trouble with them, they could have shown how Nathan kept Sylar from killing Peter. Make us believe that.

It was an opportunity missed.

Yes I agree they don't know. I don't think they showed us what went on behind closed doors because they wanted to surprise us about what power Peter took from Sylar. There must be a limit on when a regenerator's blood is useful, we never saw anyone brought back from the dead with it, so I'm assuming its too late then. Nathan was dead, but was alive when Adam healed him. I also kinda agree about the George Lucas comment, Kring had better be careful.

I'm pretty sure Noah was dead before they healed him with claires blood.

You are absolutely right. I was merely explaining not trying to justify (although I can see how it might be interpreted that way).

It is clear that this show is not written with a "plan". If watching it is not proof enough just read a few commentaries about how hectic the schedule is and how they swap writers and just barely get scripts finished in time to make production. It's really no surprise that they have such awful continuity. If they were doing it right they would start at the ending. That is they would decide in advance where they wanted the season to end, then look at the current situation with the characters and then decide how to get from A to B. They're like college kids with no sense of direction on a road trip. At the end of the season they run out of gas in Bakersfield because they never had a plan for how to get to Vegas.