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chazee
DAVID FINDS OUT WHERE HIS TRUE LOYALTIES LIE WHEN HE GOES ON TRIAL FOR TREASON—

David (Chris Egan) is arrested for treason and Silas (Ian McShane) puts the trial in Jack’s (Sebastian Stan) hands. Meanwhile, an unexpected medical condition pulls Michelle (Allison Miller) away from David’s trial and brings her closer to Rose (Susanna Thompson).

Also stars Eamonn Walker and Dylan Baker.
kleir
What do you think he accuses him of? Stealing the charter?
King_Rico
It should be interesting regardless. I really like Jack's character because it's difficult to understand sometimes, at least for me. He seems to really wish for the goodwill of the people, but still appreciates the power of his father's poosition. I'm thinking the trial could go either way.
kbtkbt
Punishment for treason is DEATH.

I guess, king has the authority to made one up for david's treason or to anyone.

I think Jack will try to have David's head hot on the plate ....... to secure his future crown?
Lififsky
My bet lies with the snide remarks that the two were throwing at each other during the closing moments of Chapter One. If I recall, the descriptions for the final two episodes indicate that Jack is also put on trial for treason (perhaps the only time where we witness Jack and David working together?).

At any rate, what of the coup being planned by Cross? I'm sure that we'll see it in the final few episodes, but will it be the reason for the deaths of the Silas/Jack/Cross?
kbtkbt
QUOTE (Lififsky @ Jul 6 2009, 10:25 PM) *
My bet lies with the snide remarks that the two were throwing at each other during the closing moments of Chapter One. If I recall, the descriptions for the final two episodes indicate that Jack is also put on trial for treason (perhaps the only time where we witness Jack and David working together?).

At any rate, what of the coup being planned by Cross? I'm sure that we'll see it in the final few episodes, but will it be the reason for the deaths of the Silas/Jack/Cross?


Cross is going to help Jack to be the new king ..... of course jack as his doll. Cross is pulling all the strings, he will also try to get rid of Silas. Just my assumption.

kleir
I think Jack, like all the other characters, and all of us, has both good and bad sides to him. I think deep down he's a good guy, he's just disgruntled because he can't be who he wants to be. I think he will bond w/ David by the end of the trial. I think Silas will deteriorate mentally. I think Cross will be killed. And I don't know about Rose. She's a really interesting character.... oh, and I'm wondering if Jack's new fiance will hit the road now that she realizes the situation she's getting into isn't the fairytale she thought it would be.
SydneyH
Whoa, was Katrina assissinated in the previous episode??
Lififsky
QUOTE (kleir @ Jul 7 2009, 01:19 PM) *
And I don't know about Rose. She's a really interesting character.... oh, and I'm wondering if Jack's new fiance will hit the road now that she realizes the situation she's getting into isn't the fairytale she thought it would be.


If I had to take a guess, I'd say that the characters that appeared in David's vision/drug trip will be the ones that survive (as seen in Chapter One, Silas and Jack are no where to be seen).
cardigansrock
I agree. SO this whole trial thing can only make silas look rediculous.. I cant wait!!! muahahha
kbtkbt
QUOTE (SydneyH @ Jul 7 2009, 05:00 PM) *
Whoa, was Katrina assissinated in the previous episode??


Yes, Katrina is dead, tragic accident on the mountain road at Austria ...... who is responsible?

Queen Rose.

Why is the queen not afraid of her anymore? both camera of michelle and Jack's bf testimonial are gone. Katrina has no more cards to threaten the queen, the queen seizes the opportunity to have her killed.

Like King like queen.
kbtkbt
QUOTE (cardigansrock @ Jul 8 2009, 01:04 AM) *
I agree. SO this whole trial thing can only make silas look rediculous.. I cant wait!!! muahahha


True, After he announced that David is a hero for bringing back the charter in front of a lot of people, then he is going to have David for treason. LOL at that, people will think the King has lost his mind.
ERLairdess
QUOTE
oh, and I'm wondering if Jack's new fiance will hit the road now that she realizes the situation she's getting into isn't the fairytale she thought it would be.

I'm willing to bet she will sometime in the next couple episodes. Between Rose taking their marraige much more seriously than she expected and Jack not taking it seriously at all, I think she's already starting to realize: Wait. Crap. This is not what I signed up for.
Besides, watching Jack get married to a girl would be very distressing...
mikeijames
QUOTE (ERLairdess @ Jul 8 2009, 05:26 PM) *
I'm willing to bet she will sometime in the next couple episodes. Between Rose taking their marraige much more seriously than she expected and Jack not taking it seriously at all, I think she's already starting to realize: Wait. Crap. This is not what I signed up for.
Besides, watching Jack get married to a girl would be very distressing...


i'm wondering if queen rose would let her leave....
kleir
QUOTE (mikeijames @ Jul 8 2009, 06:46 PM) *
i'm wondering if queen rose would let her leave....


LoL! I wouldn't doubt it!
kbtkbt
QUOTE (kleir @ Jul 8 2009, 08:43 PM) *
LoL! I wouldn't doubt it!



I assume of it too. She can leave if her head is on queen's laps.
Heroes_n_Chuck
I just want to say they pack so much stuff in the episodes that sometimes I am overcome with glee! I mean come on they have done more in one season than those other worthless NBC shows did in ten or more! This next episode will probably be better than the last and thus and forth. I loved the last episode with the mission and treason angles though! I can't wait to see what King Silas will do next!
kbtkbt
King Silas will go insane soon, making a lot of bad decision and lose people supports. That's what probably will happened

Ah, 1 more day. Cannot WAIT
kleir
AAAAAAAk! My heart is still pounding! Ok. where to start. 1st of all, I'm kinda pissed at Michelle. I don't know tho, she WAS pregnant. 2nd of all, as far as Jack goes: i knew it, i knew it, i knew it. OMG, i can't believe i have to wait a whole week to find out what happens next. so cruel to end it that way...
Heroes_n_Chuck
What a tease! WHAT A DAMN TEASE! Michelle Pregnant, Jack goes against his father and at the end ***** a gun!?!?!? Oh my GOD! A Week is going to be too long to wait for this next episode! I didn't know where the road whould turn on this episode... What about that security guard confessing his love? That was awesome story within itself.
chazee
GAWD......this series gets bettter and better. Excellent writing and producing, how in the world can this series be finished in 2 more episode?

We so need more Kings.
Lififsky
QUOTE (Heroes_n_Chuck @ Jul 11 2009, 09:09 PM) *
What about that security guard confessing his love? That was awesome story within itself.


I have a feeling that the subplot was a wee bit rushed, if only because of the series' limited running. But agreed, nonetheless.

At any rate, I joined the episode a bit late (family duties), but I ended up seeing it in its entirety (just heading back to watch it again [thank god for recording]). Michelle's pregnancy was an incredible twist (I thought that she was going to relapse from the description). Jack's outburst at the end could have been a bit more detailed (it felt a bit rushed to me), but was a great scene altogether: Silas' calling him gay in front of the nation was perfect. Ian McShane was the best I've seen yet. But, most of all, Michelle not showing up at the trial was a real blow to David.

The best episode so far, without a doubt.
kleir
QUOTE (chazee @ Jul 11 2009, 08:14 PM) *
GAWD......this series gets bettter and better. Excellent writing and producing, how in the world can this series be finished in 2 more episode?

We so need more Kings.


I've gone thru the anger and denial phases and entered the acceptance phase over the whole cancellation thing. Now I'm thinking that it may be a good thing because I don't want to see David turn into something vicious and careless after becoming king, which I would guess he might if he's going to be anything similar to what David in the bible was. (Didn't Cross say something about that in this episode? About great men finishing while they're still great, before they have time to screw up? That would apply here.)....(but of course if they decided to continue it i wouldn't be very upset biggrin.gif )
kingsrocksit
I really enjoy this show. I wish it was on for two hours. The Queen had something to do with Katrina's "accident." Tonights episode was great. The King lost it. Its all coming to a head. Can't wait til the next episode. I read another post saying there were only two shows left. That blows. I just hope they don't cancel the show and that it is back in a couple months. This is the only show worth watching. Seriously. NBC don't cut it!
shunyourkings
awesome episode.
kbtkbt
Wow this episode blows!!

Michelle is pregnant
People lost trust in King Silas
David is cleared of all false accusations

Now Jack is going to overthrown his father, now that's wicked. I hope NBC play all 3 episodes today, wouldn't that be nice? cool.gif
Lififsky
I hate to say this, but there're only two episodes left. As for the content, I'd likely say that we're going to see the deaths of multiple major characters, with Jack and Silas being at the top of said list.
kbtkbt
Don't you wonder how Jack and Silas will die? I would say probably Silas first for getting shot? Jack probably executed for betraying his own father? What about David? is he going to be in prison all the time until he is crowned?

AH i keep wondering now .....................
dryedmangoez
The episode was a slowburn for me, but man did it build up to that incredible ending, if not an amazing two final hours.

Each episode Kings just make me even more sad/drepressed/angry that it didn't survive. But at least we'll have had 13 incredible hours of television. Wow.
PrfctBtrfly
This show is amazing. I am so pissed that I ever started watching it. I know I will not be giving any of NBC's other shows a try for fear of getting hooked and being disappointed with a cancelation. I am a reality show junkie, but mostly because there just isn't anything else on that interests me. That is until this. This show has so much depth. It could go in so many directions because there are so many stories within this show. Why on earth are you taking it off the air rather than put some money into advertising. I never see a commercial for this show. If I didn't already have a series recording set on my DVR, I may not have even known it was back in June. WHY keep another police show rather than let those of us who want to think when we watch a show have something that interests us???? I can only hope at this point that another station picks this up, puts the money and time into succesfully building the ratings it deserves and then leaves NBC in the dust. Maybe, that will show you to have faith in those of us that want something unique, non generic and deeper than the average drama or reality show. Maybe you should stop basing your ratings on 18-21 and put something on that a more mature audience will not only appreciate but become loyal fans of. We are the ones with the income to buy season dvds and other show memorabila. We are also the ones home on a Saturday night who enjoy a break once a week from the other crap on the rest of the 500 stations. You could be a leader but instead, you choose to follow in the footsteps of the other stations with no substance to offer its consumers. I am disappointed and will not easily get over my anger for NBC.
Shade_Knight
This is the 3rd week in a row that I could not watch the Kings I recorded due to "Sun Spots" (or poor management of your affiliates) ?? The sound cuts out ever couple minutes or the screen freezes up . I have no problems recording anything else from NBC. I really like the series but I can't take this anymore. Please fix this for your affiliate (KNDU) Washington for your Ratings sake.

Annoyed,
Chris
Cindy68134
When I watch this show, I am mesmerized! I thought maybe Michelle was having a relapse as the king was not fullfilling his obligation with Death. I am glad that was not the case, her character is so sweet. I love the Queen, she is one tough bird. I remember early in the series when they all thought she loved ballet, she could not care less about it, she just wanted to unite the kingdom. And her choosing to let Michelle's photos come out instead of the video of Jack, wow, that was powerful. The reverend is really cool, I love his voice.


I think it would be a good series for HBO to pick up. They do a great job with Tru Blood and we would get a full hour, no advertising!
kbtkbt
QUOTE (Cindy68134 @ Jul 12 2009, 05:59 AM) *
her character is so sweet. I love the Queen, she is one tough bird.


She is not only one tough bird, but deadly bird. rolleyes.gif
kleir
What do you guys think about Michelle not coming thru for David? That scene killed me. It was taking for ever for her to come through the door and I thought, "she's not coming!?" And then the door started to open and I thought, "oh, she is coming!" And then it wasn't her and oof! But what do you think? Was she right for not helping him out bcs she was pregnant? Will he agree she shouldn't have helped when he finds out she was pregnant?
Lififsky
QUOTE (kleir @ Jul 12 2009, 09:30 AM) *
What do you guys think about Michelle not coming thru for David? That scene killed me. It was taking for ever for her to come through the door and I thought, "she's not coming!?" And then the door started to open and I thought, "oh, she is coming!" And then it wasn't her and oof! But what do you think? Was she right for not helping him out bcs she was pregnant? Will he agree she shouldn't have helped when he finds out she was pregnant?


I'd more or less wager that she was just following her mother's advice in a mentally shocking/worrying time. She definitely felt guilty about it later, and David was still sore about her not coming to his aid after his intense advocacy for him in private. It was, however, critical to the plot line, as, without David's reeling mentally from Michelle's absence, he may not have admitted his guilt, thus leading Jack to remain silent.
JR_LeMar
I must say that I'm surprised to see this show turning out as it is.
It would be more understandable if it were intended as a miniseries,
or if some episodes had been filmed, and then they found out that they
were being canceled, so they decided to wrap it up quickly. But, from
what I understand, all 13 episodes had been filmed before the pilot
aired. And this was just hoped to be the first season. So you'd think that
the storylines would be meant to play out longer than this.

Like Smallville, where we know that Clark will grow up to be Superman
eventually, we know that David will one day be king, but I'd figured that
would be saved for the final season, years down the line. Like the season
finale would have David being crowned. But they'd want to have several years of
palace intrigue with the Benjamin family first. That's why I was surprised the
way the Katrina Ghent story was so abruptly & casually ended, because I thought
that she would be a recurring character, and her marriage to Jake would open
up several storylines down the road.

Michelle's pregnancy came out of left-field. That's something else that I would
expect to wait until it's "final season." And I don't understand why she didn't
come to David's aid. Wouldn't carrying his child make her even more desperate
to save him? She was just going to let him be found guilty and executed? That makes
her look pretty bad now, to me.

I knew that Jack's change of heart re: David was coming, but
didn't expect it to be so public. I thought he'd just find some way to get
the charges dropped, and declare David innocent, not rail against his father
like that. That was quite a dramatic scene.

So, if we follow Biblical scripture, then when Jack said that there should be a new
king @ the end, he wasn't talking about himself, he was talking about David,
because Saul's son advocated David for the throne over himself. So it will be
interesting to see how David on the show reacts to this development. He certainly
wouldn't want to take orders from William Cross, the way Jack would.

Next Saturday can't come soon enough.
polaris33
Wow. I was blown away by the ending.

Silas's freak out? Wow. Calling his son a ******, in front of everyone?!?! My jaw hit the floor. Awesome!

Am I the only one that thinks that Jack is about the blow his head off after he says "Then the country will have it's new king?"
JR_LeMar
QUOTE (polaris33 @ Jul 12 2009, 12:32 PM) *
Am I the only one that thinks that Jack is about the blow his head off after he says "Then the country will have it's new king?"


My first thought was that he was going to shoot William Cross.
kleir
QUOTE (JR_LeMar @ Jul 12 2009, 01:50 PM) *
My first thought was that he was going to shoot William Cross.


That's what I thought too... but you never really know w/ this show.
mikeijames
i just don't know how the writers can keep up this level of suspense week after week after week! seriously, it's not just the surprises they tuck into the actual plot lines (which we kind of know from the biblical account), but each week we learn something new about the characters that makes you re-examine the way they act. this week we see the queen as a nurturing mother/family woman. we see jack do something absolutely selfless and heroic. we see princess michelle being (for the first time) completely self-interested and disingenuous. we see thomasina as vulnerable. reverend samuel as imperfect. it just goes on and on. i mean, i couldn't predict any of these things from the last episode let alone the first episodes, but when you see them again, you see all of the clues in the plot leading up to these moments.

i had a hunch that michelle would get pregnant, but i never thought it'd put them ALL in more danger. i thought that'd help them and the king change his mind. i thought the queen would flip over her daughter being pregnant by david, but she embraces her! will she have a role in unseating the king? she was in david's dream of himself as king. i can't believe she would just sit there and let her son be killed. i just can't wait to see what happens next. also, doesn't samuel die here soon in the biblical story....? i cannot wait to see how they wrap this up...i swear it's a 13 hour movie.
mikeijames
QUOTE (kleir @ Jul 12 2009, 07:50 PM) *
That's what I thought too... but you never really know w/ this show.


for a second, i thought he was going to shoot HIMSELF.
JR_LeMar
Shooting Cross would make a little more sense, if Jack has now developed
a conscious, and doesn't respect his father anymore, then he shouldn't care
about Cross either, since he's no better. And Cross had just told him that
all of the Generals & King's army were backing Jack now, so what does he
need Cross for?

I dunno. But I'm definitely excited for next week. I also wish they'd just
go ahead and air the final two episodes back to back. And then rush the DVD
out as soon as possible.
loupgarous
QUOTE (kbtkbt @ Jul 12 2009, 06:23 AM) *
She is not only one tough bird, but deadly bird. rolleyes.gif


Queen Rose Cross Benjamin is a vulture who isn't content with pacifism - she goes out and kills when simply waiting for her prey to die won't suit her needs.

The ultimate bitch mother-in-law.
loupgarous
QUOTE (JR_LeMar @ Jul 12 2009, 10:27 PM) *
Shooting Cross would make a little more sense, if Jack has now developed
a conscious, and doesn't respect his father anymore, then he shouldn't care
about Cross either, since he's no better. And Cross had just told him that
all of the Generals & King's army were backing Jack now, so what does he
need Cross for?

I dunno. But I'm definitely excited for next week. I also wish they'd just
go ahead and air the final two episodes back to back. And then rush the DVD
out as soon as possible.


That would vindicate the good work of Michael Green. NBC can't have that. It might place their decision to not promote the series as fervently as they did "Parks and Recreation" and "Southland" (which made sharp whistling sounds as they bombed) into sharp contrast with the excellent quality of this series.

Having watched "Javelin" just now (I was ill during the original broadcast hour), I have some things to say.

This show says more about redemption, sacrifice, agony and terrible personal choices in any of its later episodes than most other TV serials manage to say in whole seasons.

It's a pity that some of the adult story threads (Jack's gay-ness and Michelle's conceiving David's child out of wedlock) will alienate much of the religious community, because if there were ever a story about the living God and what He expects of His children, it's Kings.

If there was ever a story that places God's opposition to hypocrisy in high places in an unequivocal context while not oversimplifying the things that lead to the hypocrisy (or refusal to engage in hypocrisy), it's Kings.

Which brings me back to my theory that NBC's programming staff may be uncomfortable around holy things. biggrin.gif
loupgarous
QUOTE (Lififsky @ Jul 11 2009, 08:23 PM) *
I have a feeling that the subplot was a wee bit rushed, if only because of the series' limited running. But agreed, nonetheless.

At any rate, I joined the episode a bit late (family duties), but I ended up seeing it in its entirety (just heading back to watch it again [thank god for recording]). Michelle's pregnancy was an incredible twist (I thought that she was going to relapse from the description). Jack's outburst at the end could have been a bit more detailed (it felt a bit rushed to me), but was a great scene altogether: Silas' calling him gay in front of the nation was perfect. Ian McShane was the best I've seen yet. But, most of all, Michelle not showing up at the trial was a real blow to David.

The best episode so far, without a doubt.


The subplot of the fat guard's love for Thomasina was artful misdirection. His declaration of love to her came just in time to remind Thomasina that she was more than a central relay in Silas and Rose's murder machine - that redemption was not only possible for her, but that it was worth having.

I asked in another thread, last week, why we hadn't been given any insight into Thomasina's reaction to the murders in which she was complicit and all the other chicanery which she mediated for Silas and Rose - the marks these acts left on her soul.

I take it back. Green and company gave us a rushed, but adequate reason for this subplot in "Javelin" - it allows us to see Thomasina as a real person, not a two-dimensional cutout in the stage background. And it gives Thomasina a reason to stop being the Benjamins' unquestioning hatchet lady.

The last five minutes of "Javelin" should nail down the show's Emmy - and the series isn't over yet. Fortunately, Emmys aren't awarded by the Nielsen company or the programming executives. What has Michael Green laid in store for us?
loupgarous
QUOTE (kleir @ Jul 11 2009, 08:33 PM) *
I've gone thru the anger and denial phases and entered the acceptance phase over the whole cancellation thing. Now I'm thinking that it may be a good thing because I don't want to see David turn into something vicious and careless after becoming king, which I would guess he might if he's going to be anything similar to what David in the bible was. (Didn't Cross say something about that in this episode? About great men finishing while they're still great, before they have time to screw up? That would apply here.)....(but of course if they decided to continue it i wouldn't be very upset biggrin.gif )


David Shepherd's own mother berates Silas (in "Chapter One") for 'unleashing a monster' in elevating her son to statesmanship. And Perry, Court Historian, alludes to David's "stumbling, but not falling" in his own reign at the end of "Chapter One." It sounds as though we would have gotten to see David forsaking Michelle for a Bathsheba figure (perhaps the cute girl who slipped him a cap of something hallucinogenic in the van) in Season Two; as well as the death of a Uriah figure at David's royal behest.

David promises to be a less than perfect person in this show. Everyone else has proven to be human, with human flaws - why alter the Biblical narrative to erase David's flaws?

I have to preen myself for predicting that this episode would see the rapidly evolving Madness of King Silas go into full bloom, with his crazy outburst at the end of David Shepherd's trial (and his resolve to eradicate not only David Shepherd, but any lingering sign of his existence). Ian McShane gives us a really great portrayal of someone who makes Richard Nixon look like Abe Lincoln - King Silas tottering rapidly into insanity while hiding behind a facade of rectitude, having co-opted his son as the agent of David's destruction.

And Green and company fooled us all by swerving, causing us to believe that Prince Jack had reverted to his original petulant state while preparing a last-minute switchback - Prince Jack declining to play his part in the frame job elaborately designed by his dear old Dad - a surprise so massive that it precipitated Silas's public slide into madness.

And all because David fails to behave as anyone expects him to act - he not only doesn't accept the Reverend Samuels and William Cross's offer to be whisked out of Gilboa, but he blows the whistle on the coup to Prince Jack himself instead of pleading for a reprieve. I think that shook Prince Jack to the core and caused him to feel a massive surge of self-revulsion.

David is God-struck. Reverend Samuels sees it and performs the modern equivalent of blessing David in the field (the whole business of the broken gold watch). Silas sees it and eventually wants to kill him for it, because David Shepherd is the end of the blood dynasty Silas wants to see follow him - and David as King is both the sign and the agent of God's displeasure with Silas the hypocrite.

David Shepherd's self-accusation at the end of his trial is a highly-compressed version of the Biblical David's sparing of Saul's life time and time again. Silas's closing charge of David to confess for the country's sake is a highly-compressed version of the Biblical King Saul's armed pursuit of David, intending to kill him, over that same time span. It's a shame that Green didn't have more time to tell the story, but this is NBC, not the BBC. Green had to work with the tools and resources he had.

I noticed with a little chuckle that Green lets Ian McShane drop an F-bomb (of a sort) with the same aplomb with which his character in "Deadwood" does. It had to happen....

Damn, but this is a great episode in a great series!
30kings
QUOTE (loupgarous @ Jul 13 2009, 12:02 AM) *
The last five minutes of "Javelin" should nail down the show's Emmy - and the series isn't over yet. Fortunately, Emmys aren't awarded by the Nielsen company or the programming executives. What has Michael Green laid in store for us?


I could see McShane getting an Emmy nod...but that probably wouldn't do much to change NBC's mind, since he'd be gone after season one anyway (presumably).
kbtkbt
QUOTE (kleir @ Jul 12 2009, 07:50 PM) *
That's what I thought too... but you never really know w/ this show.


I would just think Jack and his new minions are trying to capture the king and overthrown him ..... but failed and end up in jail.



chazee
Who do you guys think got shot in a cell by the prison guards? Could it be the guy who first testified against Jack?
mikeijames
QUOTE (chazee @ Jul 13 2009, 10:52 AM) *
Who do you guys think got shot in a cell by the prison guards? Could it be the guy who first testified against Jack?


it's the guy from the "sons of moab" who testified against david.
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