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SBlover
I would never trust that guy i know whether Ejami happens or not there no way if EJ is true to character that Rafe should go anywhere near his daughter. This was the child that could of been his if Nicole hadn't switched babies i think EJ will remember that when the truth comes out i think Sami will be lucky if she gets to see Sydney. Its all depends who they go with if Ejami have bonded by the time the truth comes out i think EJ will let her be a mother to Sydney but if the writers go with Safe i can't see EJ letting her and Rafe raise his the daughter they tried to steal from him. Those who say Sami is her mother and she has equal rights no she doesn't because she denied EJ his rights when she let Rafe adopt Grace.
dorothyg
What goes around, comes around...Rafe kept Ej from knowing his own daughter, so one good turn deserves another. Ej has been a constant in Sydneys life, not Rafe. Sami is different...she's the mother of Sydney, but I think that after what Rafe and Sami did to Ej, no court in the world will give Sydney to them. JMHO.
LancyPassions
There's two sides to a story. If the judge knew what EJ has done he wouldn't get custody either. Sydney would probably be put somewhere else.
ladyvictoria29
oh that is one s/l I would love to watch. And if it happens, will sami choose rafe or her child? Or ej and her child together.
Rafe needs to stay the heck AWAY from sydney.
meerkat1
It Rafe wants a baby so badly, let him buy his own.
LancyPassions
Nah he can just get the ones Sami gives him for free.
meerkat1
I guess he isn't man enough to generate his own.
oldannie
QUOTE (meerkat1 @ Sep 18 2009, 02:33 PM) *
I guess he isn't man enough to generate his own.

that's for durn sure, he seems to like to take other people's children, haven't you noticed.
LancyPassions
Creating a baby doesn't make you a man, taking care of that child and making good decisions that will affect their life, putting their wellbeing above your own and always wanting the best for them is what makes you a man. Anyman can have a baby even the psycho's. When Rafe is ready to have kids of his own he will but that doesn't mean he's not gonna be apart of Sami's kids lives.
meerkat1
QUOTE (oldannie @ Sep 18 2009, 03:37 PM) *
that's for durn sure, he seems to like to take other people's children, haven't you noticed.


Sure have, and he apparently has no interest in marrying them.
LancyPassions
He was engaged to be married one time wasn't he? Apparently he does believe in marriage.
lumimegafan
boy it just keeps getting better and better! I can hardly wait to read the posts that come when the switch is actually revealed!
meerkat1
QUOTE (LancyPassions @ Sep 18 2009, 03:41 PM) *
He was engaged to be married one time wasn't he? Apparently he does believe in marriage.


I’m not surprised that he doesn’t believe in commitment.
oldannie
QUOTE (LancyPassions @ Sep 18 2009, 02:41 PM) *
He was engaged to be married one time wasn't he? Apparently he does believe in marriage.

apparently just not with Sami, he'd rather just swipe someone else's kid. Didn't he say Emily was the love of his life. Seems like that phrase is tossed around a lot too.
saminrafe
Rafe will be able to generate his own children, he won't have to manipulate people to do that like some others do
LancyPassions
^^^LOL. Now you're making stuff up! LOL. You do know his bride to be died and that's why they didn't get married. LOL. We'll agree to disagree. LOL.


To oldannie's comment-As Rafe not wanting marry Sami right now, um Sami was fine with that and also didn't want to get into marriage at that time and still wanted him to be a father to Grace. So what's the problem? You're problem isn't RAfe. You're problem is Sami and her willingness to share her kids with EJ with other men. LOL.


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Didn't he say Emily was the love of his life. Seems like that phrase is tossed around a lot too.


The keyword is was.

meerkat1
QUOTE (saminrafe @ Sep 18 2009, 03:45 PM) *
Rafe will be able to generate his own children, he won't have to manipulate people to do that like some others do


He is already manipulating an controlling Sami.
oldannie
QUOTE (saminrafe @ Sep 18 2009, 02:45 PM) *
Rafe will be able to generate his own children, he won't have to manipulate people to do that like some others do

and you think that Sydney's conception was manipulated. oh my, check you tube, looked very enticing to most of us. Sami did most of the instigating that night.
oldannie
QUOTE (LancyPassions @ Sep 18 2009, 02:47 PM) *
^^LOL. Now you're making stuff up! LOL. You do know his bride to be died and that's why they didn't get married. LOL. We'll agree to disagree. LOL.

maybe he bored her to death or she jumped out of moving car to get away from him, after one year we still dont know - can we say hum hum snzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
sammy33
blink.gif Uh, sorry, but Rafe doesn't work for his criminal daddy and has never stood by while some poor sap had the snot beaten out of him, EJ does, and has. He is a Dimera, and once a Dimera.......
Sammy33
LancyPassions
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maybe he bozred her to death or she jumped out of moving car to get away from him, after one year we still dont know - can we say hum hum snzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Maybe he did but the point is he was gonna marry her.


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He is already manipulating an controlling Sami.


Hmm yall didn't seem to have a problem when EJ was doing it, afterall it was for love. rolleyes.gif Rafe is not manipulating or controlling Sami. Sami does what she wants to do.

meerkat1
QUOTE (sammy33 @ Sep 18 2009, 03:53 PM) *
blink.gif Uh, sorry, but Rafe doesn't work for his criminal daddy and has never stood by while some poor sap had the snot beaten out of him, EJ does, and has. He is a Dimera, and once a Dimera.......
Sammy33


Actually, we don’t know what Rafe has done, as we know nothing of his past.
LancyPassions
Well I do know what he has done now and I do believe he's a good man, flawed but a good man at heart.
oldannie
[quote name='LancyPassions' date='Sep 18 2009, 02:47 PM' post='4088273']
^^^LOL. Now you're making stuff up! LOL. You do know his bride to be died and that's why they didn't get married. LOL. We'll agree to disagree. LOL.


To oldannie's comment-As Rafe not wanting marry Sami right now, um Sami was fine with that and also didn't want to get into marriage at that time and still wanted him to be a father to Grace. So what's the problem? You're problem isn't RAfe. You're problem is Sami and her willingness to share her kids with EJ with other men. LOL.
The keyword is was.
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my problem is with Rafe who wants to control everyone in Salem, wants to know everyone's dang business but no one may ask his Worthiness anything about himself. Any sane woman would want to know or be curious why her boyfriends fiancee died of suspicious causes on their wedding day if not only out of female curiousity but for self protection and Sami asked him to be Godfather out of respect for how he had helped them and that was fine, but he interjected the adoption idea and no sign of marriage. He can't even share his past with Sami how can he share a future. If he can't be totally honest with her then bye bye and who da hell needs such a secretive man. Get lost Hernandez

I don't want her to be with Lucas but at least Lucas didn't try to take a kid belonging to someone else when Sami asked him to pretend to be Sydney's father. Give the guy points for that. If Senor Hernandez wants fatherhood so badly then create your own or go get a child who has no father, Grace supposedly had one. That's my problem with Rafe. I also don't like how he sneers and how he doesn't blow his nose but snorts. Ok, sorry - you wanted to know my problem with him.

oldannie
QUOTE (sammy33 @ Sep 18 2009, 02:53 PM) *
blink.gif Uh, sorry, but Rafe doesn't work for his criminal daddy and has never stood by while some poor sap had the snot beaten out of him, EJ does, and has. He is a Dimera, and once a Dimera.......
Sammy33

since we know nada about Senor Hernandez, how do you even know who his daddy is or did he ever have one - so EJ can hire someone to smack someone around - maybe Rafe could hire someone to father his children, bet EJ would help him out there and we know he can deliver.
LancyPassions
Rafe was all for Sami telling EJ the truth until he found out the hit on Sami came from the Dimera family. I don't know why that gets looked over. You guys act like RAfe just jumped on board he had to be convinced first that EJ's family really was a danger like SAmi said and he was convinced. You can bash RAfe all you want but ultimately EJ's actions is what caused Sami not to tell EJ the truth. I have no problem with RAfe investigating Nicole he is absolutely right in his suspicions of her and in the end Sami will see he was trying to protect her. I do agree about him not telling everything about Emily, Sami has a right to know but he's not telling. There's a reason why and I can't wait to find out what it is so Safe can get past it.

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maybe Rafe could hire someone to father his children, bet EJ would help him out there and we know he can deliver.


Why hire someone? He has a lady love dreaming about getting his lovin. Just knock Sami up.
bigrafefan
QUOTE (oldannie @ Sep 18 2009, 03:48 PM) *
and you think that Sydney's conception was manipulated. oh my, check you tube, looked very enticing to most of us. Sami did most of the instigating that night.


So, remember this she stayed married to Ej before this moment because she believed he would be deported if she didn't, this was a lie. He flurted with Nicole to make Sami jealous, when it was just a ploy he was playing on her affection. Then Lucas helped the situation along, she was alone and feeling confused, and tried to talk to Lucas that day, only to be avoided.

And the whole time, the whole time, Ej was working to get Lucas out of jail, knowing he would be staying at the mansion. You think all of this is one big coincidence, then EJ isn't the only one that is being naive.

But his plan backfired, when she found out Lucas had saw them, she dumped EJ, made a play for Lucas that next day. And asked EJ for an anullment, but it doesn't matter "they have chemistry," puke, hurl, vomit.

And frankily if EJ tries to manipulate Sami again, she may not end with Rafe, but if our Sami has one lick of sense, it will be a cold day in h*ll, before she goes back to EJ.
LancyPassions
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So, remember this she stayed married to Ej before this moment because she believed he would be deported if she didn't, this was a lie.


*GASP* wait a minute doesn't that mean that EJ manipulated, lied, and tried to control Sami by pretending to be deported out of the country so she wouldn't divorce his azz. BWAHAHAHA. FFWD to now she's dreaming about spending her life with another man now and would give him both of EJ's kid if she could. LOL. That's just riveting stuff right there and funny as hell. rolling.gif
bigrafefan
QUOTE (oldannie @ Sep 18 2009, 04:07 PM) *
since we know nada about Senor Hernandez, how do you even know who his daddy is or did he ever have one - so EJ can hire someone to smack someone around - maybe Rafe could hire someone to father his children, bet EJ would help him out there and we know he can deliver.


Not having a father, yeah that's right he's a product of immaculate conception. Hire someone to smack someone around, what a about hiring someone to murder and kidnap. And that last comment deserves no rebutale, it's just sick and demented.
SBlover
QUOTE (LancyPassions @ Sep 18 2009, 04:29 PM) *
*GASP* wait a minute doesn't that mean that EJ manipulated, lied, and tried to control Sami by pretending to be deported out of the country so she wouldn't divorce his azz. BWAHAHAHA. FFWD she's dreaming about spending her life with another man now and would give him both of EJ's kid if she could. LOL. That's just riveting stuff.


Yes but in the end Rafe will realise she was only using him he was the mug she ran to when she knew she couldn't have EJ anymore i am amazed how you guys ignore how Sami wanted to be with EJ first before and she went to Mr Rebound she even dreamed about been married to him. As soon as found what she he did to Philip she went running to Rafe i think that very odd before then she couldn't of cared that Rafe had keft Salem all she was thinking about is winning EJ from Nicole.
bowiehs
QUOTE (dorothyg @ Sep 18 2009, 01:43 PM) *
What goes around, comes around...Rafe kept Ej from knowing his own daughter, so one good turn deserves another. Ej has been a constant in Sydneys life, not Rafe. Sami is different...she's the mother of Sydney, but I think that after what Rafe and Sami did to Ej, no court in the world will give Sydney to them. JMHO.
ICAM more, Ej would not be in his right mind, if he lets rafe anywhere near his child. Especially if rafe kept ej from knowing his daughter yea so what goes around comes around especially being a dimera!
LancyPassions
SBLover I give you an A for effort. LOL! You really do try. If yesterday's show and today's show wasn't clear where Sami's feelings for Rafe are then I don't know what is but it's clear to me that Rafe is the man in Sami's heart now and she wants him back.


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ICAM more, Ej would not be in his right mind, if he lets rafe anywhere near his child. Especially if rafe kept ej from knowing his daughter yea so what goes around comes around especially being a dimera!


Well if Sami wants Rafe in her life then EJ won't have a choice. If Lucas can put aside his differences with EJ and allow his child to be around him then so can EJ with RAfe.
SBlover
QUOTE (meerkat1 @ Sep 18 2009, 03:33 PM) *
I guess he isn't man enough to generate his own.


Rafe not a man compared to EJ yes he may have a fitter body but he hasn't got EJ's energy in the bedroom.

How long has he know Sami?

Nearly one year and he hasn't got close to getting her knocked up EJ got pregnant with 6 months of knowing her and he already has another child with her he has the super sperm even got that sad woman Nicole pregnant and she not suppose have children lets say EJ kicks Rafe ass in the bedroom department.

How many people think EJ will get Sami pregnant again once they reuntie?

I bet just one night that is all will take and EJ will do the job again.
bowiehs
QUOTE (LancyPassions @ Sep 18 2009, 03:38 PM) *
SBLover I give you an A for effort. LOL! You really do try. If yesterday's show and today's show wasn't clear where Sami's feelings for Rafe are then I don't know what is but it's clear to me that Rafe is the man in Sami's heart now and she wants him back. That does`nt mean anything, knowing sami she likes to play around with every guy feelings, but I disagree she wants Ej and the more she denies it, the more obvious it is.




Well if Sami wants Rafe in her life then EJ won't have a choice. If Lucas can put aside his differences with EJ and allow his child to be around him then so can EJ with RAfe.
SBlover
QUOTE (LancyPassions @ Sep 18 2009, 04:38 PM) *
SBLover I give you an A for effort. LOL! You really do try. If yesterday's show and today's show wasn't clear where Sami's feelings for Rafe are then I don't know what is but it's clear to me that Rafe is the man in Sami's heart now and she wants him back.


Yes but there is long way to go in this storyline so i wouldn't get to excited we all know how fickle Sami is she can change like the weather. All it takes is for her and EJ to start bonding again i still think she still loves him that will the twist in this storyline. Nearly everyone thinks Sami loves Rafe and they will end up together but i think something big going to happen between Sami and EJ which will make them realise how much they love each other. Remember this there baby this storyline is based on and to me the writers never of made Ejami have another child together and have them both not know that Sydney is their daughter if they were not planning to reunite them i am going by my man James and he told us Ejami is invitable watch this space i think he knows better than us what is going to happen with his character.
LancyPassions
Too bad Sami wants other men to play daddy to EJ's kids. LOL.
bowiehs
laugh.gif Sami might want that, but considering that Rafe has no connections to sydney, I don`t see Ej allowing rafe to play daddy no matter how much sami protests.
LancyPassions
And I don't see EJ getting his way no matter how much he protests either. When it comes to Sami, she will get what she wants and if she wants RAfe to be apart of Sydney's life, that's what's gonna happen whether EJ likes it or not.
oldannie
QUOTE (LancyPassions @ Sep 18 2009, 03:38 PM) *
SBLover I give you an A for effort. LOL! You really do try. If yesterday's show and today's show wasn't clear where Sami's feelings for Rafe are then I don't know what is but it's clear to me that Rafe is the man in Sami's heart now and she wants him back.




Well if Sami wants Rafe in her life then EJ won't have a choice. If Lucas can put aside his differences with EJ and allow his child to be around him then so can EJ with RAfe.

Sami has had dreams about EJ also and wanted him back before and she will again. Lucas and EJ allowing their children around each other, big difference - aside from Johnny and Allie, Sydney is related and therefore would be in the children's best interest to be civil. Rafe doesn't fit in this equasion anywhere at all except he wants someone's else child. EJ owes him nothing, EJ did nothing to him but Rafe on the otherhand tried to steal EJ's child. Hardly makes Rafe big daddy of the year.
LancyPassions
Rafe definetely fits in the equation if Sami wants him to be apart of her life and if she decides to marry him and spend her life with him. Sami wants Rafe in her life and they are gonna have to find a way to get along with each other for their sakes and the kids.

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Hardly makes Rafe big daddy of the year.


Too bad Sami disagrees with you.
bowiehs
QUOTE (LancyPassions @ Sep 18 2009, 04:04 PM) *
And I don't see EJ getting his way no matter how much he protests either. When it comes to Sami, she will get what she wants and if she wants RAfe to be apart of Sydney's life, that's what's gonna happen whether EJ likes it or not.
Sami does`nt get everything she wants, that is not true at all. she might be defensive, against the case, but it does`nt really matter what she wants, it is what the court decides. yea you are rght Ej might not get his way, but he has more rights then rafe, that is for darn sure. It is not up to sami completely, Ej has his right as being her father, and rafe does not even matter considering he has no parental rights IMO.
lumimegafan
I guess some of us just don't share very well, do we? Lol.
LancyPassions
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Sami does`nt get everything she wants, that is not true at all. she might be defensive, against the case, but it does`nt really matter what she wants, it is what the court decides. yea you are rght Ej might not get his way, but he has more rights then rafe, that is for darn sure. It is not up to sami completely, Ej has his right as being her father, and rafe does not even matter considering he has no parental rights IMO.


Sami is now the center of the show, the leading lady here. There's no way Sami is not gonna have custody of her kid. She may not get full custody but she will have some sort of custody and EJ can't tell her not to have Rafe around his daughter just like Sami couldn't tell EJ not have Nicole around her child. EJ can huff and puff but if Sami wants RAfe to be apart of her life that means he's gonna be apart of her daughters life as well. There's no way around that with Safe together. That's just a fact and something EJ's gonna have to deal with.
HAS
QUOTE (bowiehs @ Sep 18 2009, 02:30 PM) *
Sami does`nt get everything she wants, that is not true at all. she might be defensive, against the case, but it does`nt really matter what she wants, it is what the court decides. yea you are rght Ej might not get his way, but he has more rights then rafe, that is for darn sure. It is not up to sami completely, Ej has his right as being her father, and rafe does not even matter considering he has no parental rights IMO.


If Rafe had a child protection order against him, that's the only way EJ could keep him away.
BammBam
From EJ's perspective, yes, he should ban Rafe from going anywhere near Sydney. However, from my perspective, no, because the fact that he found out the truth about Sydney and that EJ's daughter is physically alive right now overrides the fact that he kept Grace from EJ.
SafeDreamin
QUOTE (lumimegafan @ Sep 18 2009, 03:42 PM) *
boy it just keeps getting better and better! I can hardly wait to read the posts that come when the switch is actually revealed!


really it just gets lower and lower! wow I am totally amazed by what i read on here unbelieveable the non-sense
HAS
QUOTE (SafeDreamin @ Sep 18 2009, 06:04 PM) *
really it just gets lower and lower! wow I am totally amazed by what i read on here unbelieveable the non-sense


I'm only watching because of Rafe, and I'm liking him with Sami, so that works too. If he wasn't there, I just wouldn't watch, I wouldn't be here ranting incessantly about it.
saminrafe
QUOTE (SafeDreamin @ Sep 18 2009, 09:04 PM) *
really it just gets lower and lower! wow I am totally amazed by what i read on here unbelieveable the non-sense





Safedreamin you are so right, i made a post earlier today but i decided not to post anymore until now, there is to much non-sense going on.
oldannie
QUOTE (lumimegafan @ Sep 18 2009, 05:30 PM) *
I guess some of us just don't share very well, do we? Lol.

Well they didn't want to share with EJ so why should he want to share with them. I believe he will share with Sami but don't blame him if he doesn't want Senor Hernandez around.
daisy132
If I were EJ I would definitely ban Rafe from being around Sydney for the simple and concrete fact that he tried to steal what he thought was his baby. That alone is enough reason, IMO.

No, EJ won't have a choice in Rafe being around her, just like Sami doesn't have a choice about Johnny being around Nicole, or Stephano for that matter. That said, I would like to see EJ get custody of Sydney with Sami having visitation rights (the same arrangement as EJ and Sami have with Johnny, only Sydney would be living with EJ). If they insist on forcefeeding us with Safe as a couple, then I think that would be a fair arrangement.
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