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kelleebee
Yes, it seems the language has been a little worse, but the treatment of Tracey tonight was what was appauling to me. Yes, she made a mistake by stepping over the line and taking the 2 pound advantage and for giving in to the temptation. But, she wasn't the only one who ate a cupcake. The pink team was wrong to ask Tracey to have their back, when they didn't want to return the favor. I thought the goal of this show was to help people change their lives, not to kick them every time they make a bad choice. There was NO reason for everyone there to alienate her, because no matter what. 2 teams will always fall below the yellow line and someone will go home every week. If they didn't want a competition, they shouldn't make a prize like a quarter of a million dollars for the winner. Just like Coach Mo said, this girl lost 11 pounds, isn't that supposed to be a good thing? Didn't seem like it to me from anyone, including the trainers. I was very dissappointed in the show tonight.
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becky6542
Great show. OK, last week some posters did not like my comments regarding Tracey, nor did they like my spelling. Still not a Tracey fan, although if she did not take the cupcake challenge someone else would have & everyone would have hated that person. Yes, Tracey is still cuckoo and that will make following episodes extremely fun to watch. Hey for next weeks episode we should Skype in and watch the show together and make it interesting- everytime someone crys we do a sugar-free jello shot!
patriotms
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I'd have to disagree with you..did you see the look of utter disappointment on Jillian's face when Tracey lost that 11 pounds? It was sick. I was shocked and disappointed in Jillian.


Again...I have to disagree. The show is the one that tempted them...obviously they get it..it is not just for weight loss..it is a game. She did what she felt she had to to stay on the ranch for gain later. Yes..maybe a mistake..but no call for what was done. She did nothing. If the other contestants and the trainers can't handle the show..maybe they shouldn't be on it. Bob and Jillian are professionals..they should be able to handle their emotions in a professional way. Tracy never said once she doesn't value what they do..she said she paniced and took the 2 lb loss advantage.


I can see what you are saying. But going into this show, they all know there is only going to be one winner of the money. The biggest difference for all of them is to get their health back by losing the weight. And a number of them have tried losing weight and weren't able to do it any other way. Ok so maybe she did panic on the 2 pound adv., she didn't panic when it came to the temptation. Bob and Jillian are professionals, does that mean they don't want the best for the people they train. They both knew Mo needed their help and he was stuck with her decisions. Mo had no choice, he didn't get to pick his teammate and he didn't even have a say on her choice in wk 3. Bob and Jillian had reason to show their disappointment in her choices, they are trying to help these contestants make the right choices. I mean she is already limited on what she can do, and then she puts this big target on her back and doesn't get the help from the trainers that she supposedly needs.

As far as their reaction to her weightloss, I didn't really see anything wrong with it. Like I said before, Tracey alienated herself from the other contestants and from the trainers by her actions --- that was just a result of her choices. Choices have consequences, and the reaction everyone saw is one of those consequences. You don't know why Jillian had that look on her face --- it may have had something to do with the two teams that were left below the yellow line --- since it seemed like both teams, especially the orange team ---- needed to be there. The red team really stepped up knowing how much Shay needed to be there. From the update, it seems like the two red team members have done well with their weightloss at home and I am very glad to see that they are making good progress at home.
pennben
QUOTE (dawnmomoffour @ Sep 29 2009, 10:28 PM) *
She did what she felt she had to to stay on the ranch for gain later. Yes..maybe a mistake..but no call for what was done. She did nothing.


She did something. Maybe it will work for her maybe not. But she DID something. She made a choice. I personally think it was a terrible one. I could be wrong. But I don't understand how you can say she did nothing.

biggggestfan
Way to go Antoine & Sean!
Good ultimately triumphs all!
Ashleigh08
QUOTE (kelleebee @ Sep 29 2009, 11:30 PM) *
Yes, it seems the language has been a little worse, but the treatment of Tracey tonight was what was appauling to me. Yes, she made a mistake by stepping over the line and taking the 2 pound advantage and for giving in to the temptation. But, she wasn't the only one who ate a cupcake. The pink team was wrong to ask Tracey to have their back, when they didn't want to return the favor. I thought the goal of this show was to help people change their lives, not to kick them every time they make a bad choice. There was NO reason for everyone there to alienate her, because no matter what. 2 teams will always fall below the yellow line and someone will go home every week. If they didn't want a competition, they shouldn't make a prize like a quarter of a million dollars for the winner. Just like Coach Mo said, this girl lost 11 pounds, isn't that supposed to be a good thing? Didn't seem like it to me from anyone, including the trainers. I was very dissappointed in the show tonight.

I think they alienated her because they are close to each other and she has failed to build relationships with them. She took the 2 lbs. w/o her partner's consent or knowledge which showed that she was acting selfishly. The other contestants saw that. They respect Mo and probably really felt for him. Because of her, he missed out on a week of training. Her actions affected him. Then with the weight in, she obviously didn't place a priority on relationships as she choose opposite of what some of them asked her to choose. Sure, it's a "game," but she's burning her bridges fast, and I think she's gonna find herself without the support of the others in the coming weeks.

Yes, losing 11 lbs. ought to be a wonderful thing, but when you have no relationship with someone and have witnessed them choosing themself over someone else (like their partner), it's hard to share their joy. Although... did you notice that not even Tracey herself was smiling. Not one single little smile on her face. She knows she's "in the doghouse" with the others, and seriously, who can blame them?

Look at her actions and behavior tonight in contrast to Sean and Antoine's when they encourage the others to vote them off. Look at how the others cried for those two and for Shay. They are all pretty close, but Tracey has put herself above others and I'll bet anything, she is not going to form any close relationships with anyone (contestants or trainers) on this show (and she'll be voted off w/o hesitation the next time she's below the line).

velveetachezz
Integrity, honor, veracity…..there is a player who needs to learn these words, and put them in to use in their life. This show is a game show….but it still can be played with integrity, honor & veracity. Good luck to the remaining players.
koi_girl
I was wanting to root for Tracey with her setback last week, but I can't even blame editing for her personality this week. I can't believe she had a week sitting out and then immediately takes the temptation to trade the trainers for......two pounds. WITHOUT CONSULTING HER PARTNER. Best moment of the show was Jillian correcting Mo about his feeling of being obligated to support Tracey because she's his teammate. Tracey would have thrown him under the bus in a heartbeat had they fallen below and it was between her and Mo going home. Tracey didn't have to send Shay below the yellow line. What really turned my stomach was the flat out hypocrisy, saying she was picking players who "worked hard" to represent their weight when it was obvious she was choosing in order to improve the odds for herself - I'd almost respect that if she would just call it what it was.

In making no alliances this early on, unless she stays above that yellow line, she's the next off, easily. Not the brightest of moves.

I don't blame Jillian and Bob for their anger. (Jillian is always fun to watch when she goes off, anyway. It was much deserved in this case). As Jillian said, millions of people would give anything for a chance just to spend a day training with them, and she forgoes a week with them (and inflicts it on her partner) for a nutty two pounds. She slapped them in the face a second time with the cupcakes and taking 'control' of the game. For someone given a second chance at this game, she sure doesn't seem to appreciate it.

I was impressed with Sean and Antoine for stepping up so gallantly and telling people it was okay to vote them off so that Shay, the heaviest person there, could have a chance, even though Sean was still over 400 pounds.

I was relieved Abby had immunity.....stress fracture is bad news (I wish they would show pool workouts; they never do, but we hear they do them a lot from interviews with former contestants).

I liked how the teams stood together after the challenge, and how everyone finished regardless of where they ranked. It's a great group, overall, and inspiring show to watch. Glad there was a little more of Jillian and Bob we got to see.

How cool that Antoine and Alexandra are dating now....I loved seeing the after pics of Sean and Antoine and obviously they brought back what they learned.

I'm liking this season a lot so far.

Eny
QUOTE (beardsrock @ Sep 29 2009, 09:21 PM) *
i think that the attitude towards tracy is misguided and ignorant... we all know that if tracy would not have taken the 2 pound advantage, that someone else would have taken a 4 pound advantage, a couple of teams were verbally talking about it, including amanda and her teammate.


That's the point. She didn't talk to her partner; it wasn't a team decision. She made a selfish choice and then let bad go to worse and eventually find its way to worst.

Personally, I'm not upset with her about the cupcake thing. I suspect in her mind she thought that she could somehow make things better with control over the weigh-in after the 2-lb advantage fiasco. Sure, 400 empty calories is a craptastic idea, but people have done far, far worse in past challenges.

As far as the backstabbing, I really think it was silly of the other teams to lobby for and expect their own choices to be made by Tracey at the weigh-in. On the other hand, she could have handled it better by being up front with them. Either tell them you aren't accepting input because you choose to make the decisions on your own, or tell them you appreciate their input but don't guarantee you'll go along with it. She was already in the doghouse and a little honesty couldn't have hurt.

Still, I'm no fan of Tracey at the moment. That makes me sad. I was really enjoying the feel-good atmosphere of the season. Also, I completely agree with the poster who said the bug-eyed looks need to STOP! laugh.gif
kwoods1986
I dont understand why anyone would even be against Tracy. She didn't compete in the competition by herself, so clearly she was not the only person considering using the advantage. Jillians outburst was rude, and uncalled for. Mo supported his partners choice. Her nose was broke, and she was insulted. Who would WANT to work out with them, if they didnt have to? Im not saying that the decision to take the +2 advantage was a good idea. But it looks to me like Tracy STILL managed to lose far more then she needed to, WITHOUT the trainers. And how disrespectful that not even the Trainers applauded her for a job well done. In the end, when this game is over, the participants have to prove that they can do this WITHOUT the trainers, and Tracy proved that tonight. As far as stabbing people in the back. Rebecca and Amanda NEVER promised that they wouldn't throw Tracy under the bus. Neither of them would committ to having her back. The two of them got what they deserve. They didn't prove anything. They just barely made weight. And let's face it, they've done a terrible job weighing in up til this point. The both of them deserve to go home. Tracy played the game. And that's what it is. It's a game. With a cash prize at the end. You can't hold this reality show, with a cash prize, to any hirer standard then any other reality show. The weight they lose is outrageous, unrealistic, and the only thing I think is inspiring is that people are actually willing to put themselves through this to lose weight, AND continue to lose when they go home. Being paid to make a health decision for yourself is hardly what I would call inspiring. But the people who don't make it to the end, and still continue to better themselves, that's inspiring. You can't possibly hold what happened tonight against Tracy. She took an offer that was made to more then just herself. Others would have taken the oppertunity as well, as proven by the competition in and of itself. She owe's nothing to the Pink Team. She owes nothing to Shay. I feel the simple fact that the Pink Team would make NO committment to Tracy to have her back, is what caused them to not have her support. You get what you give. If you aren't going to support her, she owes you nothing. They are petty, whiney, and don't work hard enough. Even Bob things Amanda doesn't put any effort into it.

I applaud Tracy for sticking her neck out, and proving that she COULD lose the weight. And for playing the game. Which is what NBC wants them to do.
patriotms
QUOTE (kwoods1986 @ Sep 30 2009, 01:21 AM) *
I dont understand why anyone would even be against Tracy. She didn't compete in the competition by herself, so clearly she was not the only person considering using the advantage. Jillians outburst was rude, and uncalled for. Mo supported his partners choice. Her nose was broke, and she was insulted. Who would WANT to work out with them, if they didnt have to? Im not saying that the decision to take the +2 advantage was a good idea. But it looks to me like Tracy STILL managed to lose far more then she needed to, WITHOUT the trainers. And how disrespectful that not even the Trainers applauded her for a job well done. In the end, when this game is over, the participants have to prove that they can do this WITHOUT the trainers, and Tracy proved that tonight. As far as stabbing people in the back. Rebecca and Amanda NEVER promised that they wouldn't throw Tracy under the bus. Neither of them would committ to having her back. The two of them got what they deserve. They didn't prove anything. They just barely made weight. And let's face it, they've done a terrible job weighing in up til this point. The both of them deserve to go home. Tracy played the game. And that's what it is. It's a game. With a cash prize at the end. You can't hold this reality show, with a cash prize, to any hirer standard then any other reality show. The weight they lose is outrageous, unrealistic, and the only thing I think is inspiring is that people are actually willing to put themselves through this to lose weight, AND continue to lose when they go home. Being paid to make a health decision for yourself is hardly what I would call inspiring. But the people who don't make it to the end, and still continue to better themselves, that's inspiring. You can't possibly hold what happened tonight against Tracy. She took an offer that was made to more then just herself. Others would have taken the oppertunity as well, as proven by the competition in and of itself. She owe's nothing to the Pink Team. She owes nothing to Shay. I feel the simple fact that the Pink Team would make NO committment to Tracy to have her back, is what caused them to not have her support. You get what you give. If you aren't going to support her, she owes you nothing. They are petty, whiney, and don't work hard enough. Even Bob things Amanda doesn't put any effort into it.

I applaud Tracy for sticking her neck out, and proving that she COULD lose the weight. And for playing the game. Which is what NBC wants them to do.


Mo only supported her because she was his partner, NOT because he agreed with her. He didn't agree with the decisiona and you could tell that looking at his face. He was disappointed that she took the advantage ---- he wanted to work with Bob and Jillian. I agree that the Pink team hasn't done very well. I was disappointed that Amanda was voted in -- I was hoping for the other girl to get it ---- I didn't really like pink team from the start. I believe the only reason Tracey did as well as she did this week is because her body was probably still getting rid of the saline solution she was given while she was in the hospital. She worked out less than a week with the trainers the prior week. So there is no telling what she might have done working out with the trainers and not eating the empty calories those cupcakes had.
dawnmomoffour
"Best moment of the show was Jillian correcting Mo about his feeling of being obligated to support Tracey because she's his teammate. Tracey would have thrown him under the bus in a heartbeat had they fallen below and it was between her and Mo going home. Tracey didn't have to send Shay below the yellow line. What really turned my stomach was the flat out hypocrisy, saying she was picking players who "worked hard" to represent their weight when it was obvious she was choosing in order to improve the odds for herself - I'd almost respect that if she would just call it what it was."

Hmmm...I don't think Jillian, or anyone really, has any right to "correct" anyone about their feelings. Mo said what he said, and that should have been it. Miss "High and Mighty" who is really only po'ed about "getting dumped" should have played the professional that she likes to think she is. Tracey didn't "send" shay below the yellow line...shay did. Her partner, if I remember right..didn't lose much more and probably would have been down there anyways. I believe Tracy honestly thought that with Shay working out so hard that she did have a shot...proving this by keeping her in at final vote.

As far as Jillian and Bob...they are paid professionals..who should act the part. I know of no other professionals that have to humiliate, swear at and dump on people to get the job done. You can get in someones face, inspiring and pushing, without all the crap. And as far as not clapping? omg..that was just rude. I thought they were in it to help them lose weight..that it was all about that..then why not prove it when they had a chance?
ash1234
I think the reason Tracey has had such big losses for the past 2 weeks is because she was probably given a ton of IV fluids while in the hospital. It can take a few weeks for all that fluid to leave your system, especially since she was likely pumped full of fluids for most of that week in the hospital. Guess we'll see...

The Red Team should have stayed IMHO. While I do feel bad for Shay, she never once thanked them for basically giving up their spots for the yellow team. She just kept saying how she should stay and how awful her life has been. I agree her story is tragic, but the Red Team needs to be there as much as she does. A simple thank you from her to them would have been nice. Maybe it was edited out? Dan stayed awfully quiet, perhaps since he already was given a second chance and did not want to draw more attention to that. Overall, was disappointed to see the Red Team go home.

Anisha2000
QUOTE (dawnmomoffour @ Sep 30 2009, 02:10 AM) *
Hmmm...I don't think Jillian, or anyone really, has any right to "correct" anyone about their feelings. Mo said what he said, and that should have been it. Miss "High and Mighty" who is really only po'ed about "getting dumped" should have played the professional that she likes to think she is. Tracey didn't "send" shay below the yellow line...shay did. Her partner, if I remember right..didn't lose much more and probably would have been down there anyways. I believe Tracy honestly thought that with Shay working out so hard that she did have a shot...proving this by keeping her in at final vote.

As far as Jillian and Bob...they are paid professionals..who should act the part. I know of no other professionals that have to humiliate, swear at and dump on people to get the job done. You can get in someones face, inspiring and pushing, without all the crap. And as far as not clapping? omg..that was just rude. I thought they were in it to help them lose weight..that it was all about that..then why not prove it when they had a chance?


I think the trainers have every right to give advice if the contestants are making decisions that are not good for them. Mo was supporting his partner when it was clear he didn't agree with Tracy's decision and Tracy didn't care about Mo's needs. Weight loss isn't just a question of eating less and exercising more, there are psychological issues behind it. Some people are overweight because they spend so much time giving to everyone else that they don't reserve time and energy to care for themselves. Many of the contestants this season are in nurturing/giving roles in their careers and they need to be reminded to make good decisions for themselves instead of always putting their needs second.

As for the trainers freaking out on the contestants, I'll bet you that they are encouraged to do that since it makes for good TV. I'm sure there wouldn't be half as many posts if Bob and Jillian didn't have these on-screen personalities.
lawmom1
I also disagree with Tracy's decisions but (and someone may have already posted this before) I'm wondering now if Mo didn't throw his weight loss this week knowing that Tracy was choosing herself. He only lost 1 pound. That can almost guarantee a huge weight loss for him next week.I was shocked that no one clapped. Bob almost did but then stopped - wonder if the director wasn't there in the background saying "no-one clap" to make it more dramatic. Anyway, so happy for the red team - they look awesome. I for one am not going to let the drama get in the way of the inspiration I get from watching these people lose weight!
Kel_Bel
QUOTE (doranjones @ Sep 29 2009, 09:54 PM) *
I hear a lot of people berate Tracy for her actions on this episode.. but she played the game. If the trainers and the show owners were upset by this understand that they have only themselves to blame. They created a "game show" where people compete to earn money losing weight. Tracy made the same decisions that would have gotten her praise on any other show. If the show was all about helping all these people lose weight in a toughy feely way they would all be on the show til the end and there would be no competition.. and the show would be less interesting.

The TV execs are cheering Tracy on.


my comment you quoted was from the beginning of the show b4 Tracey got into full game mode. It was my opinion of her decision to take 2 lbs instead of the week with the trainers. What really bothered me about it was that she did it without consulting her team member, fine play the game if that's what you want to do but don't do it without talking it over with the team member who kept your hospitalized self there so you could come back to the ranch. You don't start burning bridges this early in the game, that's not good game play.
tbl_fan
I think Tracey now has a big X on her back and I hope its not at the expense of her partner Mo.
She does kind of remind me of a past player from a couple seasons ago!!
kwoods1986
It's exactly as everyone is saying. This is TV. With Reality Drama all over it. You can't possibly think that they arent all being coached in what to do, to get the most drama possible. Bob did start to clap, he KNEW she deserved the applause. Who cares if she lost it because of fluid, or what have you? The only reason AMANDA made weight, is because Bob targeted her this week. They never would have made it otherwise. But everyone clapped for her. Her success was just as menial, and likely wont happen again, UNLESS Bob targets her again. Because the pink team is lazy.

I have no doubt that their on screen personalities (Bob and Jillian) are just that. But no professional needs to act that way to achieve success. I don't need to be stepped on, and have my face rubbed in the dirt, to be inspired to work harder. I just need someone there beside me, willing to help me, encourage me, and keep me in the right direction. Sure, they are definatly allowed their opinions when someone does something they dont like. But it is NEITHER of their rights to call Mo out on how HE feels. If he wants to appear to support his partner regardless of whether its true or not, who the heck is Jillian to tell him otherwise? Maybe he thought this was more strategic then other might think. He only lost a pound. Next week he will probably save the purple team from the bottom, because his weight loss SHOULD be up there next week.

Evvvveryone should get off their high horses and stop talking about what a terrible person Tracy is. Give me a freaking break. She isn't "low rent" and isn't a "disgusting person." She is a reality television star with an audience to keep on edge. And if she DID make this mistake this early on, so what? People make mistakes in judgement -everyday-! I wouldn't go around calling them all "terrible people!"
Fish925
I was actually disgusted with tonight's program. Tracey won the right to choose whose weight should matter at the weigh in. No matter who she choose that person was responsible to their team to lose the weight. The really sorry part was Bob and Jillian, not being happy that Tracey lost 11 pounds. This is a game the real weight loss challenge is not on the ranch but living daily life when you have to make choices every day.
Roxie40
Yes, I think Coach probably water-loaded. He's a competitive person and it would be a smart game move. Tracy carried them this week, & next week Coach will more than likely carry her. Next week is technically tracy's 2nd week doing the program which is notoriously bad weeks for many.

Lover her or hate her, it was a smart Game move on Coach's part.
sephigirl
QUOTE (jetroy @ Sep 29 2009, 09:48 PM) *
She could have asked each team who they wanted to weigh in and also chosen for her team. That way she would have made friends with everyone.
-I just finished watching on DVR, sorry if this has already been said.


*nods in agreement* As she liked to remind us - two grps were going to be under the line. Why not have the weigh ins honorable and then it'd be "natural?" Then no one could say they were thrown under the bus.

Kudos to Sean and Allen - they deserve biggest hugs! And Kudos to Daniel for his "6lbs" support talk.

I remember the first ep. post - I put her in my "to be watched" file. If I were the others, I'd remind her that when she collapsed, they were all there for her, supporting her, etc.

Yes, it's a game and a reality show, but this was an ugly game. She made the decision though.

And I'm in the "Go Jillian!" team. Her reactions were priceless - esp. the way she kept looking at Bob.

I know someone also mentioned that Shay wasn't shown to thank Sean & Allen - she might have, but then I'm not sure she was raised to think that way - based on what she's said about her upbringing.
AngieExtreme
QUOTE (koi_girl @ Sep 30 2009, 12:42 AM) *
I was wanting to root for Tracey with her setback last week, but I can't even blame editing for her personality this week. I can't believe she had a week sitting out and then immediately takes the temptation to trade the trainers for......two pounds. WITHOUT CONSULTING HER PARTNER. Best moment of the show was Jillian correcting Mo about his feeling of being obligated to support Tracey because she's his teammate. Tracey would have thrown him under the bus in a heartbeat had they fallen below and it was between her and Mo going home. Tracey didn't have to send Shay below the yellow line. What really turned my stomach was the flat out hypocrisy, saying she was picking players who "worked hard" to represent their weight when it was obvious she was choosing in order to improve the odds for herself - I'd almost respect that if she would just call it what it was.

In making no alliances this early on, unless she stays above that yellow line, she's the next off, easily. Not the brightest of moves.

I don't blame Jillian and Bob for their anger. (Jillian is always fun to watch when she goes off, anyway. It was much deserved in this case). As Jillian said, millions of people would give anything for a chance just to spend a day training with them, and she forgoes a week with them (and inflicts it on her partner) for a nutty two pounds. She slapped them in the face a second time with the cupcakes and taking 'control' of the game. For someone given a second chance at this game, she sure doesn't seem to appreciate it.

I was impressed with Sean and Antoine for stepping up so gallantly and telling people it was okay to vote them off so that Shay, the heaviest person there, could have a chance, even though Sean was still over 400 pounds.

I was relieved Abby had immunity.....stress fracture is bad news (I wish they would show pool workouts; they never do, but we hear they do them a lot from interviews with former contestants).

I liked how the teams stood together after the challenge, and how everyone finished regardless of where they ranked. It's a great group, overall, and inspiring show to watch. Glad there was a little more of Jillian and Bob we got to see.

How cool that Antoine and Alexandra are dating now....I loved seeing the after pics of Sean and Antoine and obviously they brought back what they learned.

I'm liking this season a lot so far.


Also, by Tracey losing the most % of wieghtloss made everyone else look bad that had trainers. She did that by herself!! I still am assuming it was because it was her first "Full" week. All the contestants lost alot of wieght on their first week. So the look on Jillian's face could have been shock and disgust.

Now the part with everyone helping Coach Mo in the challenge.... It feels like a contridiction to me!! I kept hearing all of the contestants say how important it was for them to finish the challenge. Instead of letting Coach Mo finish... I feel like they wanted to get out of there as quick as they could so they helped him finish... guess there are two ways of looking at it. It's like how Tracey trying to defend her choices about who she picked... we all know it was "what was best for her". On the other hand.... Sean and Antione... no doubt about how they felt when they self sacrificed themselves for Shay!! I just wish they would have said "Shay and Dan", not just "Shay". Dan has been just as much as an insperation to her!!

AngieExtreme
QUOTE (Fish925 @ Sep 29 2009, 09:43 PM) *
Tracy had every right to call the people she did. Each person know they were going to be weighed and would have to hold their own. Who Tracy picked should not have matter. I think the whole challenge was stupid to begin with. No matter who would have won they would have made enemies. You can't win in that type of challenge.


Exactly why it was called a TEMPTATION.
Bichonamission
Since Tracey doesn't seem at all concerned about her health or improving it, I am not concerned for her. She can gain the weight she lost along with everyone elses as far as I'm concerned. As for the rest of the Biggest Losers, GREAT JOB!!! WAY TO GO!!!
diegom88
Totally and completely unnecessary. Does anyone realize that with losing 11 lb she had control of the game the entire time? Her two pound advantage and choosing who goes or stays did not gain her a single true advantage in the game. I will never understand people that watch these reality shows, then go on the show and say that they are not there to make friends or to win. Clearly they have no understanding of how to "win". Though what she doesn't understand is that the $250K is not the true prize. Being on the show and getting the weight off is. Many people have gotten kicked off early and then lost as much weight as those that have stayed on. There are those that have gone all the way and are currently fat again - I have followed up past contestants.

But back to the "not making friends thing". A person can say that they are not there to make friends, but are you there to make enemies? Because that is exactly what she has done. Her "strategy" has only put her in a place where FEW have been. Where EVERYONE and I mean everyone is against her - I don't think I have ever seen that. Not one contestant (even her own partner) and the trainers are beside themselves - not to mention America herself. This was a short term response to a long term problem - the reason why so many people are fat in the first place. This is like doing the fad diet and losing 5 lb in one week only to gain 20 lb in 2 months. She has sacrificed her long term longevity for her short term gain that she didn't even need!!!???

Her ONE chance to have gained something back I think was during the choosing. She should have "given" up her control (because she really didn't have it) and then asked both players while they were on the scale which one they wanted to count and then said, "okay, then that is how it will be". Had she done that it would have restored all confidence in her because she would have let them choose - even though in reality she is still doing the choosing - know what I mean? But back stabbing will only ensure her getting voted off unless she pulls off a miracle and ALWAYS stays above the yellow line. Good luck with that strategy.
OGWalker
I don't think Tracey is a bad person. Like many said, she was just playing the game, which is what NBC and TBL expects the contestants to do. I just think that she made stupid choices while playing the game, and that she was very lucky that her she lost 11 pounds - which was probably either week one syndrom, or loss of the fluids from the hospital. I don't think she was trying to hurt anyone when she made her weigh-in choices. She could have gone about it better, but who knows what any of the other contestants would have done in that situation. I think eating the cupcakes to gain power was a dumb move though. I remember Tara winning power over a weigh-in last season, and regretting it because it was so stressful. I do think Tracey is way too impulsive, and that she should think before she acts - and check in with her partner also. Let's hope that next week things calm down a bit.

I applaud Mo for supporting his partner. That's what he is supposed to do. He did not say that he approved of her choices, just that he will support her as a partner. I don't think he should have been criticized for that by the trainers.
ExerciseToExercise
Tara is no longer the looniest contestant in TBL history.



WAR TRACEY
ItalianAngie
QUOTE (FourthFrog @ Sep 29 2009, 10:27 PM) *
"Game players get fat again." Bob said it. He's seen it.

I thought tonight's show could be captured in 3 words: Funny, crazy, inspiring


No Bob, people who come on the Biggest Loser just to win money get fat again. Game players get to be the hated scapegoats.
ExerciseToExercise
IMHO Tracey's huge weightloss was somewhat predictable. Contestants generally drop huge pounds during their first week. Tracey was in the hospital that first week, and then unable to exercise much since then. She is spreading out that typical first week big loss.

What irks me about Tracey is that she fed off the help of the other contestants during the initial 1-mile run, and then off of Mo during her week in the hospital, and then the moral support of everyone upon her return. Her response was a self-centered act of game-play.

Mo deserves better.
Jillian rocks.
Ryan_D
QUOTE (ChrisJ34 @ Sep 29 2009, 09:55 PM) *
Tonight, Tracy did an excellent of playing a game!!! I repeat PLAYING A GAME!. Everyone that is upset with her is wrong. She played the best game she could to keep herself in the game.. THAT IS THE POINT OF THE GAME.

Jillian is a hypocrit.. She is paid millions to be on this show and have the ability to advertise her products and her website so she can make millions more. HER COMMENTS MEAN NOTHING! NOTHING! She has no right to judge Tracy for playing an excellent game.

Way to go Tracy - Keep plugging away and don't listen to anything Jillian or Bill/Bog (whatever his name is) say. They don't control you and if they weren't being paid millions they wouldn't even be there, so use that as their motivation for being there.

Go Biggest Loser AND MAY THE BEST PLAYER WIN!!!!!!

You are so wrong it is just sad. Tracy played this about as stupid as any person could have. In fact, this was a complete self-destruct. Yes, maybe she stays here for another week, but she burned EVERY bridge in the house. EVERY person wants her gone. She falls below the line once and she is gone, no one will even think of saving her. In fact, they may write nice little "good riddance" messages on the cards as they vote.

A good player manipulates the game with out people knowing. A stupid player tries to manipulate the game and ****** everyone off in the process.
qualitymedical
Did not like last night's show at all, except for Sean and Antoine.
Way too much gameplay, lack of unity, and no encouragement. Tracy affected the whole ranch as well as everyone at home. Isn't the show supposed to be about encouargement and support? I usually exercise during the whole show, but last night I just felt like sitting. No encouragement from the show at all... they made it seem more like a chore.
Last week's show was tremendous!
VictorianXmasTree
I just hope that next week they go to how they voted the first week with only one team under the yellow line and I will be praying very hard it is the purple team that falls below it.
Kel_Bel
ok so for all those thinking some of us have forgotten this is a game, I know I for one have not and I think most of us haven't however we're talking about how Tracey played the game not the fact that she played the game.

Start off with going for 2 lbs, ok I understand being panicked that you won't do well and will have to leave but why not wait until Ali says 4 and immediately step over your line. Not to mention that she did not consult with her partner who worked so hard to keep her in the game while she was in the hospital.

***Message to TPTB***
You build a great team environment last week and have Ali remind them the game is about individuals yet the decision they make does not only effect them but also their partner, hence not an individual thing. You should have required it to be the first team to step across the line if both partners were losing the trainers, or made it only the individual who stepped across losing the trainer
***end of rant to TPTB***

The next thing that bothered me about Tracey was her allowing Bob and Jillian to question everyone else about taking the two pounds rather than speaking up and being brave.

Temptation time, again my thoughts come from before knowing she lost 11 lbs, you have no trainer help for a week, you've only had them for a week and now you're going to take in extra calories to control the weigh in, ummm okay.

Now the part that really got me, if she had just been honest and told those who came to her that she could make no promises just as Becca told her (and um yeah what did you expect Becca if you don't promise to save her do you really think she's going to save you). If she had not alluded that she would vote a certain way it may have made a difference. If she had said (even if she was lying) that she wanted to show support for Shay and Amanda, that she believed they could carry their team so she was going to have them weigh. Any of those options would have me looking at her differently and I think would have led to a different response.

Now she lost 11, I'll admit I'm impressed and glad bc it means Mo gets to stay, but she definitely burned her bridges waaaaaay to soon.

I will not speculate what Antoine would have done had he won, I am not a mind reader.
diegom88
I think way too many people are assuming way too much about the 11 lb loss. Some "assume" that it was hard work. That may be true but it could easily be false. My friend just went through a divorce and lost 60 lb in 2 months - it was ALL due to stress. Stress can put the pounds on you - or it can make you lose it because you don't feel like eating. There wasn't a bit of excercise my friend did to lose all that weight. The stress level on her must have been tremendous - losing weight because of stress is not what her ultimate goal is. I guess as long as she continues to self destruct and lose weight through stress then she can stay on the ranch. Like I said - good luck with that kind of strategy. Next time she falls below the yellow line she is gone. That is NOT good game play - that is just total stupidity. You know what - lets put it this way - she started her one mile race by jogging at a very fast pace to the finish and did not - not really. Sure she was ahead at first - but in the end EVERYBODY went past her. This is the exact same thing - she made gains (which when looking back she didn't need the 2 lb advantage or to pick who goes home because of the 11 lb loss anyway) only to crash and burn next week or maybe even one more week - tops. You know it and we all know it. Based on simple logic - she should have known it.
ItalianAngie
QUOTE (qualitymedical @ Sep 30 2009, 09:12 AM) *
Did not like last night's show at all, except for Sean and Antoine.
Way too much gameplay, lack of unity, and no encouragement. Tracy's selfish stupidity affected the whole ranch as well as everyone at home. Isn't the show supposed to be about encouargement and support? I usually exercise during the whole show, but last night I just felt like sitting. No encouragement from the show at all... they made it seem more like a chore.
Last week's show was tremendous!



It bears repeating. The producers want "good television" Snarky, selfish actions make for "good television". Producers don't want to see people getting along, helping one another and working as a unit to achieve a goal like last week's show. They want back biting, in fighting and general unpleasantry. "Good television" brings the worst out in people. So instead of berating Tracy, direct your animosity to the producers and the ones who come up with the "challenges".
heyjonathan101
QUOTE (ItalianAngie @ Sep 30 2009, 09:38 AM) *
...So instead of berating Tracy, direct your animosity to the producers and the ones who come up with the "challenges".


True, the producers are the ones who came up with the challenges. However, Tracey made her own decision to participate in the challenges and also how she chose to play them.
30lbs2go
I hope that next week they only vote off one member of a team instead of two. That being said if only one member of a team is voted off like in week 1 I hope purple goes below the line and Tracy gets voted off. I like Mo and dont' want him gone yet. I think he has a few more pounds he needs to get off. He is one of the older ones there and really needs to be there. Apparently Tracy doesn't need to be there since she apparently thinks she does not need trainers.
haleyjames
I do agree with what Jillian said about thinking before you decide and make a move. The problem with being power greedy is that it has a way to bite you in the butt. I think that Tracy realized that after the weigh in.
Herefishyfishy
I could only sorta watch last nights episode as I was busy. Usually it's a MUST watch every.single.minute. but I get the idea of what was going on. Missed most of the emotional stuff tho.


Anyway, I spoke my opinion of Tracy last week and it still stands. Hate to say "I told ya so!" tongue.gif
AngieExtreme
QUOTE (diegom88 @ Sep 30 2009, 10:32 AM) *
I think way too many people are assuming way too much about the 11 lb loss. Some "assume" that it was hard work. That may be true but it could easily be false. My friend just went through a divorce and lost 60 lb in 2 months - it was ALL due to stress. Stress can put the pounds on you - or it can make you lose it because you don't feel like eating. There wasn't a bit of excercise my friend did to lose all that weight. The stress level on her must have been tremendous - losing weight because of stress is not what her ultimate goal is. I guess as long as she continues to self destruct and lose weight through stress then she can stay on the ranch. Like I said - good luck with that kind of strategy. Next time she falls below the yellow line she is gone. That is NOT good game play - that is just total stupidity. You know what - lets put it this way - she started her one mile race by jogging at a very fast pace to the finish and did not - not really. Sure she was ahead at first - but in the end EVERYBODY went past her. This is the exact same thing - she made gains (which when looking back she didn't need the 2 lb advantage or to pick who goes home because of the 11 lb loss anyway) only to crash and burn next week or maybe even one more week - tops. You know it and we all know it. Based on simple logic - she should have known it.


And keep in mind... Next week will be Tracey's "Week 2"... Yes the dreadful week 2... I can't wait to see how that's going to work out for her!! I realize everyone this season did well on "week 2", however they also had the 115lb/noone goes home temptation!
AngieExtreme
QUOTE (haleyjames @ Sep 30 2009, 11:17 AM) *
I do agree with what Jillian said about thinking before you decide and make a move. The problem with being power greedy is that it has a way to bite you in the butt. I think that Tracy realized that after the weigh in.

I disagree, I do not think Tracey ever realized that it is going to bite her in the butt! She lost 11 lbs, which probably put her head even higher in the clouds. I don't think she really cares who likes her and who doesn't. If she did she wouldn't have chosen the people to weigh in that she was asked not to, then made some "confidence" explainations... whatever Tracey!! And good luck on your "week 2"!! NOT!!
Please only let ONE person go home next week!! Please let it be Tracey!!
diegom88
This week two people went off because no one went home last week. Next wee it will be one team that goes below the yellow line and only ONE person will be voted off. That is the normal play of game - that is what happened to the black team 2 weeks ago. The ONLY person that can save Tracy at this point is Tracy - either through winning immunity or losing a ton of weight that keeps both her and Mo above the yellow.

By the way folks - Jillian and Bob ARE professional. They were giving her their professional assessment - sometimes being harsh and truthful is the way to go. Believe me that IF she approaches them, they will help her - but she won't approach them. At least that is my prediction. They will not turn their backs and say I won't talk to you, inspite of the words used by Jillian. She just said she got the message that she won't be listened to.

Either way Tracy is pretty much toast.
AngieExtreme
QUOTE (Missilulu @ Sep 29 2009, 08:13 PM) *
Again with the women having the "little" belly-baring shirts... why? Poor Shay as she was walking to the weigh in...

Looks like "sports bras" to me! I agree, let men and women both wear shirts!! At least the men can put on their shirts all of the time except for the wiegh-in!! Is that gender bias?? I think it is!!
heyjonathan101
Actually Tracy was maintaining a level head through most of the temptation. However, as soon as Alison said that someone had eaten a cupcake, I think she freaked out and panicked (again).
diegom88
Welcome PrissyChrissy to the board and I agree with what you said.

Jillian rocks and said what needed to be said. It amazes me that some people still don't get it (not many but some) that what these professionals do works. Our country has gotten fat and weight loss methods and resources to fight this battle have never been used in this way (I'm talking about the show). Such weight loss numbers through non-surgical methods means that they are writing the books on what works and doesn't. So people can complain about the cursing and the harsh methods and this and that - but the bottom line is that these people lose the weight and in the process save their lives, self worth, self respect, etc. Those that argue that their methods should be different are the ones sitting at home on the couch - not actually doing the work. Give Jillian and Bob their due - they know what they are doing.
jkashley1234
I think Tracey did the right thing. First off its a game, yes they are trying to loss weight but its still a game and eventually all of them will have to play. Second, the producers need to allow Bob and Jillian to watch some of the behind the scenes footage. If they could then maybe Jillian would have reacted a little diff. All of them were talking about going over the line if the lbs went up, Tracy just took advantage of it first. Third, Antoine ate cupcakes also, and if Tracey wouldn't have ate more he would have been the one under fire (the trainers should have screamed at him also). Last if the two girls (cant think of their names right now) would have just said yes we will keep you, then she would have felt the need to respect them. If I were playing a game I'd play to win, and thats what the goal is for most of them, the plus is that they get personal trainers, free food, and weight loss in return. I love TBL, but they really need to get a hold of the mouths of the two trainers, its like Jr. high, cause I know Jillian will never appoligize even if she sees the whole story.
sherie427
I have to say while I don't agree with what Tracy did (doing both temptations without consulting with her partner), I will say if the stakes had gone up, I do think others would have done it as well (as some did discuss doing it if for 4 lbs and a member of red ate 2 cupcakes).

My main issue is that since they are still in teams, Tracy did not consider her teammate and right now let's face it your teammate could make or break your position in the house.

One thing I thought of during this is I think it was easier for Tracy to choose these two tempatations is she hasn't actually gotten a Bob/Jillian "beatdown" yet, right? She is still limited on what she can do per medical orders right? So she hasn't actually experienced the "real" training yet. That could be why it was so quick for her to take it? And it's not like she is really scared of the next week, since she is still under medical restraints on exercises, so Bob and Jillian can only yell at her, not "beat it" into her with the exercise plan (so i.e. no fear). Just a thought.
The_Gooch
I have to admit I am more annoyed with the trainers than anything tonight. Jillian in particular was out to lunch.

For both Bob and Jillian to go after Tracy regarding the 2 pounds was silly. There was no week 2 wall that we are all used to seeing. What if it happened in week 3? Tracy took a gamble and probably should have talked to her partner, but I really couldn't blame her for wanting to protect herself. She missed a lot of time at the rach.

Bob saying he hated gameplay made me laugh. Wow Bob there is a whole bunch of video evidence to prove the contrary.

Jillian ripping Tracy for the cupcakes, where was that last season when everyone gorged out? It cost her 400 calories to have control of the weigh-in. Not bad. Where was the hate for Antoine?

The weigh-in was attrocious. Jillian ripping on Coach Mo and saying she would have trained him? What the rules of the prize said she couldn't. Mo was forced to do things on his own and yes in that situation it is best to try and support your partner. Tracy lived up to her end of the bargain and pulled a big number.

I don't like gameplay, but I saw the reactions tonight as just annoying and way over the top to almost acting level. Tracy kept herself at the ranch and I think made a couple of alliances on the way (why didn't she choose Dina?).
omchance
I am SOOOOO tired of the producers turning this season into the "Shay Show". Yeah, she had a hard life. Yeah, she's fat. But every single person there has had their own challenges. There are a million plus people who have tried out for the show that have had terrible stories and didn't get picked. I honestly don't think that she was cast because of her back story. SHE WAS CAST BECAUSE SHE WEIGHS ALMOST 500 POUNDS! I feel bad for her, but move on! Enough already! If you keep harping on her mother and her upbringing, she is never going to put it behind her and stop using it as her crutch.

I want to see more confessional/on camera interviews with the Green Team guys, Coach Mo, Pink Team, etc. This is the third week where Shay (and Danny) have dominated the interviews portion.

Oh, and Tracey... I feel sorry for you, lady. The Wheel of Fortune always turns and when you are on the bottom, you probably won't get any support because of your "divide and conquer" strategy.
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