I finally caught up fully on a week's worth of epi's this past weekend and today on my day off and I noticed something very glaring out on the screen.

On Friday's epi, I saw Sami with complete indifference to EJ's pain. She told him to get over himself, to forget about his ego and to think that Sydney needed him. She was more concerned about Sydney and Johnny's loss of yet another sister than of how EJ felt and how this betrayal by his wife affected him. She wasn't taken aback when EJ said he truly loved Nicole and she actually tried to make some sense out of what Nicole did and she urged Ej to take Nicole back.

I remember a few months back that Ali tweeted about hate is not the opposite of love. It surely isn't, indifference is and actually that is what happened from Sami to EJ on Friday. She didn't care one way or another about him and in comparing these scenes to the scenes between her and Lucas just two weeks ago and her constant worry about Rafe...we see where her worries lie and they don't lie with EJ.

Let's compare quickly what transpired: ....she told EJ to get over himself, that the only reason he is so upset at Nicole is because she was able to fool him and he didn't figure it out, she told him to take Nicole back while telling Lucas that he's better off without Chloe even while knowing that Allie and Chloe bonded. She told Lucas, "Lucas, let me help you....you need your family, you need us around you" "you need to focus on all the people who love you, ....and need you. She cared enough about him to sit by his bed, extend her hand, hug him offer him some very needed tough love (saying that if she had to threaten him with Allie to make him react that she was prepared to do that) and he reacted. She was very much in favor of supporting Nicole's misdeeds over her support for EJ. She didn't lend an ear, a supportive shoulder or anything. She actually was hoping that EJ didn't even want to see Johnny because she would have to wake him. Now here is a man that has "lost" two daughters and the only son he supposedly has left Sami doesn't want to even bring to him in order for him to find some comfort.

Sami is also constantly in a worry about Rafe and where he is. She asks Ari, asks Roman, talks to Brady about it. She spoke to Sydney and referred to Rafe as Grace's daddy. I see one thing here and one thing only and I couldn't be happier, Sami feels nothing but indifference toward EJ.

I didn't see indiference at all. I watched it twice, and in fact, for the first time in a long time, I saw Sami caring. She went and got Johnny and smiled lovingly when he was in EJ's arms, and her facial expressions indicated concern and fellow feeling.

Not to mention that EJ didn't want to talk about what was hurting him, but Sami is the one who insisted he did because "she knows him" and knew something was wrong.

I rather enjoyed their interraction. I'm looking forward to many more of them.

A very accurate assement, she is totally indifferent to Ej. A bit shocked (though not surprised) by his callousness to Sydney. But she told him he is the one making the CHOICE to walk out of Sydney's life. She has totally figured out that Ej is all about Ej and only Ej.

Lucas will always be family and there will always be love and concern there regardless of romantic status. (and this foundation is something that at anytime the writers COULD build upon).

Right now Sami is truly, madly, deeply in love with Rafe. She is attempting to respect his wishes (from the e-mail she thought he sent) by giving him space and by not tracking him down, but we will see how long she can stand that.

Had Sami been indifferent to EJ she would never have left the house with Johnny trying to find him. She would have spent the night with Will, Johnny and Allie and would never have ended up at the hospital.

Indifferent? I didn't see that at all. All I saw was Sami trying to care and be there for EJ. And she was giving some tough love at the same time. I believe if she was indifferent she would have just walked away, not taking the time to talk and attempt to help him.

I mentioned this somewhere in a post in another thread. She was indifferent. She seemed to waiver between frustration with his selfishness and pity for him. It wasn't empathy, it was pity. I've seen her show more heartfelt concern for Nicole.

She brought him Johnny because it's his night to have him, and she knows full well how demanding he gets about that. He was also very demanding that Johnny be brought to him, not because it was good for Johnny, because it was good for him.

Well think of it one way...IF she wouldn't have bought Johnny over for his scheduled visitation wouldn't that have been grounds for resuming a custody hearing that he had planned just a few months back. Remember she ended in the hospital by default, she went to bring Johnny to the Mansion for his father's scheduled visit.

Sami didn't go to the hospital because she wanted to. She went by default because she had been left Sydney to care for without instructions by Chloe. She found out where Nicole/Ej were and went there with the baby. She didn't go because she knew what was happening to EJ and frankly if she wasn't indifferent she would have told him how sorry she felt for him losing two daughters. I didn't even hear that.....

From what I understand EJ was supposed to come and pick Johnny up.

Otherwise Will would not suggested they all have a fun night together.

Listening to the messages she left for both EJ and Nicole, I think that at this point she was also concerned about her relationship with Nicole, who in spite of warnings from both Lucas and Rafe she continues to regard as a friend. After all Nicole did go against EJ's wishes and brought Johnnie to see her. She didn't want to be put in charge of Sydney without Nicole's knowledge and approval. They'd had clashes over that before and as a mother herself she was uncomfortable taking charge Nicole's child without her approval, especially without full knowledge of Sydney's needs and routine. Of course all of this is pretty ironic since we know what's really going on here.

Yep, I saw the same thing in the 2 times I watched it. Sami still cares about EJ and it showed. She was caring but also gave him some tough love and tried to get him to see the bigger picture about Sydney. EJ didn't want to talk to her but Sami got him to open up. I see this as the beginning or their healing towards each other. I didn't see indifference at all.

I saw indifference, sad pity, and defensive mode when it came to stating how losing Sydney would affect Johnny and that EJ had better leave Brady alone.

I saw genuine concern, and care for Ej at that time. I think the reason sami was being so hard on Ej was because of the fact that she felt like he was shutting his feelings for Syd because of the truth being exposed. Ej was hurt, he loves Syd, but was so overcome with hurt, betrayel, and as far as he knows he was having salt poured on a wound that hadn't healed. I love when Sami was trying to say that she had never done anything to the same degree as nicole, and ej was right there to set her straight. She could not dispute anything or disagree with anything. She loves Ej and does not want to see him in an pain.

I think your assesment is right on the money. This was a very telling scene for the direction of Sami's future relationships and I think it is wonderful that they are finally moving away from EJ as a love interest. There was obviously no innuendo of hidden desire, passion or romance. The indifference was palpable. It seems they are allowing Sami to have a new direction and mature. I think it is a very positive step and couldn't be happier to have her take this step.

True but once at the hospital she could have dropped off the baby and left. She didn't know Ej was going through this until she was there. And once there, she talked to him about the whole thing like a friend.

Anyway, if you or anyone wants to think it was indifferent I have no problem with that. As my English teacher says when we read a book or see something on tv we all come into it with our own past experiences, and tastes or biases so we all see it differently.

I found more chemistry in Sami's "indifference" to EJ than in those sex scenes of Safe's.

It's been a long time since Sami hasn't put me to sleep.

Another great post, Friend! 100% agree with it!

Oh I know, there was nothing there--no desire, passion, romance ..nothing. Ali made a point to make sure she showed us Sami doesn't even have a friendship bond with him. They *assume* right now that he is Johnny's father and she has to make the most of it (Although I did notice her rolling her eyes when telling Will it was ej's turn to have Johnny for the night). Sure makes her visit with her Lucas in the hospital even more special when we could see Ali was making sure we knew she adores him!!

And it was a nice touch Sami telling Sydney about Grace's daddy, Rafe.

First of all I agree there was no indifference but rather tough love being dished out for
the sake of Sydney. Second, I could have sworn EJ was sitting on a stool and Sami looked
like she came down from upstairs....it looked more like the pub to me than the mansion.
I think EJ went to the pub where Grandma was watching the kids and got Johnny.

It's so amazing the things that people see ...I saw Sami trying to make the best of what EJ was going through I saw two people that belong together so much it hurts them both. I see no passion with Lucas only the love of a man who fathered her children, with Rafe I saw her look to him as a hero, someone safe. No passion. With Ej every breath they take in the same room is passion, all Sami would have had to do is hold out her arms and EJ would have been there and the same goes for EJ... Sami would be there in an instant. Give it a rest EJami is alive and is going to happen no matter how much you all hate it.

I have to completely disagree. Sami showed many emotions two of which were sympathy and compassion. The look in her eyes showed what was in her heart. She cares what happens to EJ, despite what some want to think.

I saw genuine concern from Sami. She was worried about him and wouldn't leave even when he told her to go. Despite all the hurt and pain between them he was able to talk to her and she listened to him. There was tough love from Sami. I think that had lot to do with the fact that EJ said he was cutting Sydney out of his life. Sami is still greiving for Grace and would do anything to have her back. Hence she tried to get EJ to fight for his daughter. He doesn't have to loose her like they both lost Grace. I absolutely loved the ending. Sami lovingly watching EJ and Johnny.

ITA and welcome to the board!!
Sami has always been EJ's voice of reason. Just because she gave him a healthy dose of tough love (and if I were so inclined I could make the argument that Sami didn't show Lucas any compassion in the hospital when she threatened to take Ali away, but IMO that was tough love too) doesn't mean she didn't feel for the man. She clearly showed empathy and grief for his situation. Just moments before at the mansion she said how much EJ loved his children. She knows how much this pains him, but that doesn't mean she should just agree with him. Blind support doesn't equal love. Sometimes telling people the truth about themselves to get them to see reason, even when it's ugly, is caring.

First off, Sami didn't even have to bring Johnny over there. If EJ didn't answer the phone, she could have just said screw it and kept Johnny. When Sami got to the hospital, she didn't have to go to that private room with EJ. She didn't have to talk to EJ about what was going on, she didn't have to get him to open up to her. She could have left at any time, but she still wouldn't leave even after EJ told her too. She cared enough to talk to him, she knows him better than anyone (Ej's own words) and wouldn't let him go until she found out what it was. I thought it was a great scene, and I didn't see indifference at all.

EJ pounded his chest and told her he needed to see Johnny....and they went to the pub...where he was sleeping with Grandma and she woke him up for him to see...I must admit that the scene where he said...at least I have you....while looking at Johnny is telling.....foreshadowing something perhaps.

As a mother I would want to make sure that before leaving my son with his father the man would be okay to be able to care for him. Obviously EJ wasn't in that condition and she as a responsible mother should be able to talk about what is bugging him, much like she wouldn't let Allie be around Lucas until he got help for his alcoholism. Obviously Sami noticed something wrong the minute she saw EJ and when he told her to give Syd over to Nicole. Sami needed to know what was going on before leaving Johnny with his father, sorry.

I agree! I loved the ending. How long do you think she's going to deny her feelings? I thought it was odd how she was stressing out that Ej hadn't called, especially since it was supposed to be his night. If she was so indifferent to him why not just ignore the fact he hasnt called and enjoy the evening with Allie, Will and Johnny, but no she had to go and find Ej. It's still nice to see.

Sami wasn't indiferent towards EJ since SHE is the one that pushed for him to open up. That in itself spells concern, if nothing else, which is not indiference.

As for Johnny not being EJ's, and Sydney not being EJ's, the spoilers say that EJ will want Sydney in his life but not Nicole, so that eliminates the argument that he only loves his children if they are his own flesh and blood.

Even if it will turn out that NONE of the children are EJ's, how does that matter? Isn't Safe fans' motto that blood does not make family? What's good for the goose....

Wow...we finally get a thread we can debate in...isn't this wonderful..

My biggest argument with how Sami reacted is that she actually still doesn't see that what she did was wrong. She actually said she would do it all over again. She hasn't apologized to EJ for doing what she did in conceiling Grace and frankly although I don't like EJ at all...I have a hard time believing that Sami wouldn't say I'm sorry for that..clearly she isn't ready and I still think she sees it as the right thing to do. It would have been a perfect opportunity if they were thinking of reuniting EJami to do the apology at that moment when she mentioned "we both lost Grace"....but no....she even called Rafe Grace's daddy.

ITA thats what I saw too!!!!

This was not the time nor place to talk about Grace. As far as it not being a thread of hate...it really is. The guy can't catch a break no matter what Nicole did to him. He's still deserves what he got according to some. One day when she has the same experience of Nicoles treachery, she will know how Ej is feeling. Let us all see what her reaction will be to be on the receiving side. But Ej will be there to comfort her because he's been there...done that. Ejami will happen. That's one thing I'm sure of.

Like I said before to someone else...It wasn't the time or place to talk about Grace. When he did say something about her doing the same thing to him as Nicole, Sami had nothing to say. I saw for the first time in a long time sympathy for Ej and not pity. And when she put Johnny in his arms at the Pub I can say I saw she understood just how much Ej loves his children. It was a loving look and not one we've been seeing for the past few months.

From an interview with James Scott this summer, he said: "It's hard to hate somebody you love. But it's easy at the same time. But you don't want to hate them and you hate yourself for wishing you didn't hate them." I add this quote as a juxtaposition to AS’s interview.

The interview (by Sara Bibel) this summer where Alison Sweeney is asked: When the truth comes out, how do you think it will impact Sami and EJ’s relationship? She answered: “Right now she absolutely hates EJ. The interesting thing is that hate is not the opposite of love. So we’ll see.”

Another two interesting things from that same interview is where she said “We’ve seen a big shift in Sami’s goals and who she is. But at heart she’s still Sami. A leopard doesn’t change its spots.”

So is she going to revert to form when she finds out Nicole stole her baby?
“There are no words to describe how angry she is going to be [when the truth comes out.] But it doesn’t take away from her loss of Grace. No matter what happens with Sydney, she still had this beautiful girl that she raised and loved and thought of as her own. Whether it’s her flesh and blood or not, she will always mourn the loss of this child. There will always be a loss. Getting Sydney back will not take that away.”

I don’t get where she was indifferent at all. All she had to do, if the theory that she’s a mother and didn’t want to leave Sydney, was hand Sydney over to Nicole at the hospital and leave. Indifferent? No. Concern/Empathy? Yes. But, when he compared what Nicole has done to what Sami did, she could have flew into him. And maybe the old Sami would have. I don’t think we’ll see the old Sami until after the reveal, if there ever is one. Sami didn’t need to apologize to EJ in this situation. A note to add, Sami threatened Lucas with keeping Ali away from him.


Sami said to EJ “We both lost Grace but you have a beautiful little girl who thinks you are her daddy if you want her." I see Sami being so wrapped up in loosing Grace that that is her only controlling emotion right now. She just said the other day, when looking for a job, that she didn’t need a man.

I've deleted some posts in here due to fanbase bashing. Please stay on topic and discuss the show and characters and not other posters or fanbases.

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Sami only felt indifference between Ej? I completely disagree, I saw the scene way differently here is my take on it!

First and foremost, I don`t think there is any secret that I happen to love Ejami, I loved them since the beginning. I love it when they stare,kiss, argue, etc. I love everything about them, because they understand each other and they love each other so much I don`t care if sami ever admits it, actions speak louder then words. As far as the scene, I think it was very telling on both parts. Sami still deeply cares for Ej, she understand him. If you notice, sami really tough it out with him, she told him that the only reason why Ej was mad because Nicole fooled him and she had a point and even I was surprised that Ej did`nt react to anger but he remained calm. I never claimed that Ej did`nt love Nicole, he obviously does. He told sami that he does, however Ej has a lot of bitter towards sami, so I was not surprised that he did`nt make amends with her vice versa. They blame each other for the death of grace, so there is a lot of angst between them also love. I love the scene because it showed two people hurting over a loss of a child. I was cheering the scene, because it was realisitc. I did`nt expect sami to just grovel and say "oh poor Ej, Nicole deceived you, let me kiss you to make it all better" First of all that is not sami character. Ejami are very similar, they are on the same level, they know what to say without sounding so offensive and remain calm. Sami looked very heartbroken when Ej told her the truth and I was very happy that Ej reminded her off her deception as well because sami act like her lie was any better then Nicole ( in reality it was, but still she is not the victim here). I still think that deep down Ejami still love each other, when they find out that sydney is their child,I am sure they would bond and possibly reunite I defintely think they are both going through the emmotions, they cleary love each other and they both understand each other. I love the scene, like I said before Ejami don`t have to just romance each other in order for me to love them, I love their decent conversation, that is why I fell in love with Ejami because of their complex and unique relationship not just the amazing chemistry.

Again I disagree, I defintely don`t think sami only sees indifference with Ej, I saw everything differently, especially when sami let him bond with his son Johnny. Plus I thought sami did`nt want anything to do with Ej, she sure lend a listening ear. That scene made me love Ejami even more, it does`nt make me change my heart about them one bit, nice try though

I didn't see it as indifference at all...I mean if anyone wants to youtube their last 3 months together you will see what is really there...which is a softening which we have not seen since grace. I think she was dishing out tough love but also trying to be a friend...she could have easly said I told you so and been very mean to him but instead she saw his pain and did what any friend would have done which is say..I am sure nicole loves you and nicole has changed. I mean she really could have hurt him by saying anything else but she didn't.

I also think the difference with the lucas/ej interactions is that sami likes nicole and feels that they are friends as for chloe ...well they are not friends and that is what motivated the difference.

The fact that they both almost left but could not bring themselves to stop talking and walk out was very telling in the way they feel for each other. Also, the way they both agreed that she knew him best...but she knows nothing about rafe is also very telling. I think the teary eyes when he brought up losing 2 daughters is more than sami has given ej in months. I loved these scenes and I felt some hope for this super couple. It was very riveting and I could not have ff it even if I wanted to....could anyone?

I think that this really is the start of at least a level of friendship ...and with the look she gave him at the end of the scene with him and johnny ... that tells me that a more intense relationship is headed our way in time.

^^ I agree she smiled when she saw him bonding with his son, the look said it all.

If anything, Sami showed compassion for EJ, which was long overdue. Who knows what the writers have in store, but I have a feeling when the real reveal happens, Sami will understand how deeply she hurt EJ.

EJami is far from over...they have only just begun.

Sami was definetly not on the EJ pity train. I didn't get the sense she really cared just being nosey. When EJ was blabbing on and on about being betrayed she act like she didn't care at all, she told him to get over it and that he's mad cause Nicole outsmarted him. She really was acting like his pain was not that important. Even when he said he guess he was blinded by love the way she said "it happens" was so nonchalant and unfeeling. Then she takes up for Nicole and Brady both people who betrayed EJ. I thought it was funny and then tomorrow show just proves that she really doesn't care about EJ's pain. I mean asking Grace to watch over Rafe while EJ is going thru his own hell says alot especially when she thinks EJ is the biological father. She's not on the poor me EJ pity train that's for sure.

I watched it again, to see if I was just looking at it differently.

Sami's concern seemed initially far more directed toward Sydney. She saw EJ essentially shove her away, and it concerned her. Then her concern was directed at Nicole, "Nicole loves you. She would throw herself in front of a train for you".

As for why she just didn't leave Sydney and walk out, that's compassion. Sami has developed much more of that since the Safehouse scare and the death of Grace. Is she different? Yeah. Her perspective has changed, her priorities seem to have changed.

EJ told her she was the one that insisted on knowing, and Sami's response was "you're my son's father. He spends half the time living in your house. If there's a problem, I need to know about it."

She went on to explain her concern for Johnny, and how he believe that sydney is his sister, and will lose her. Then she switches to concern for Sydney.

When she tells EJ to get over himself, she's exasperated. She's shaking her head. She just doesn't understand how he is this way. She knows he is, but she just can't understand it.

No love. Compassion for the kids, and for the situation, yes, but not love for EJ.

I just read that Sami tells EJ that Sydney is better off without him and EJ responds by kicking her out.

I always find it interesting that we all watch the same stories yet we all assess them in our own ways. Of course, all storytelling is interpreted in the heart and mind of the audience member so however you interpret it is correct. I hope this doesn't turn into another negative Rafe/Lucas/EJ bashing thread but instead stays a place to hear everyone's interpretations. You can analyze til the cows come home but there is no right or wrong interpretation.

That being said, MY TURN! MY TURN!

I agree that Sami wasn't a huggy, nurturing softie to EJ. She has never been that way towards him. That's not really how their relationship has ever been. They push each other and don't let them feel sorry for themselves EVER. I wouldn't have expected her to give him a hug and a hot chocolate and ask him how many marshmallows he needs today so he can talk about his feelings. She told him to buck up and be a man. Spoken like a concerned mother who wants to see the father of her child (Johnny in this context) step up and do what she deems is the right thing to do, namely be a good father to Sydney regardless of whether she is his or not. Of course, we all know she is his real daughter.

I see forshadowing in her behavior. This is showing a concern for Sydney's well being, because Sami is her real mother, of course. This is all laying ground work for the story ahead. Sami is defending Nicole so that when she finds out that Nicole burned her as well, it will make the shock and pain of her betrayal all the worse. I really hope she let's Nicole have it. So far Nicole is not suffering the wrath that I think she deserves for her dispicable actions.

That scene was also a chance for the two of them to at least start to deal with the whole Grace, secret pregnancy issue. They need to have a real heart to heart about that and that scene was a good start. At least they opened the door to civil conversation about it. I just hope that the writers show Sami's remorse in keeping her pregnancy a secret. If she hadn't made that grave mistake none of this would have happened. She owes EJ an apology. He is a really good dad and the episode reflected on that as well.

The show ended with a very tender scene with EJ and Sami enjoying the company of their sleeping son. They all looked glad to have one another. Yet another foreshadow. Sydney is theirs. When the whole truth comes out, they will be very content and happy to share another child between them who is as sweet as Johnny, that they both love and cherish together. I saw Friday as a chance for them to clear some air and recognize the good stuff they have between them. It will help in the long months ahead. Ugh...the long, long months of baby swap storylines ahead....

When Sammy told Sydney about Rafe what she started crying the little girl and this man? she loves her father and her father's is ej you see whatever you see but the fact we did not see Rafe two weeks and it was fun besides the fact that they could not see Rafe did not affect on Hriting that was what would have happened to you to understand once and for all ...

Stockholm syndrome is wearing off, thank heaven! The longer she is away from her WPP captor, the more she can think clearly.

I saw two people that still love each other start to deal with all the crud that has happened between them and bond over their son. All this crazy speculation making EJ not the father of any of Sami's children is desperate nonsense.

What the scenes said to me was, "They still have IT".

On the bolded text...this was the PERFECT opportunity for Sami to apologize. Not a long winded conversation but just for Sami to actually acknowledge that what she did to EJ was wrong. He now lost yet another daughter so what would be a more perfect time to make him feel a wee bit better by her extending a heart felt apology for her actions surrounding Grace.

On the EJ hate thingy, this is a thread about Sami's actions toward him and how I felt she could have been a bit more understanding but wasn't.....EJ deserves everything that is coming to him and more! If he dished it he can surely take it can he, if not then poor widdle EJ

Perfect reason for when he finds out the truth he conceals the fact that Syd is Sami's.....

I found Friday’s episode very telling and to me, Sami was very cold to EJ and indifference came to mind. I did not see feelings for the other on either EJ or Sami’s part. The only feelings I saw on EJ’s part were betrayal, grief, hurt and anger. As far as Sami, she was most concerned about Sydney and tried to get through to EJ that he should not give up on Sydney. For Sami, it was all about Sydney. And, yes, this was the perfect opportunity to tell EJ that she was sorry about keeping the truth about Grace from him.

Much like politics, it's all in the spin.

As EJ said, Sami knows him better than anyone. She knows he loves Sydney. She also knows he's hurt and angry and perhaps a little hurt and angry right back at him will get him to snap out of it. It's similar to the cliche of slapping the hysterical person and then they see the light and calm down.

Viewers have always commented on Sami and EJ's unique ability to "get" each other, after all.

Sami confronts EJ and EJ then begins ending the false bravado and pretense that he could just let the child out of his life because she wasn't "his" daughter.

I see true caring because the same premise as tough love. It takes a strong person with a strong investment in you to be brutally honest with you.

These characters are not mush. They never been written way. There is an edge to their interactions which is what ignited the voluminous fan support they have. Never retreat and never surrender could be their motto and again, this scene only confirms that these characters have a unique insight into each other that noone else can understand.

Great take on the whole thing. ICAM.

As for the Sami knows EJ better take, if Sami knows EJ "better than anyone else", just makes me think she's finally gotten her head screwed on right and knows she needs to stay out of his life other than for parenting issues.

I just wanted to point that out because that is very interesting. That's exactly what Lucas was doing when he slapped Sami, it was to get her out of a hysterical fit, and it worked exactly how you said it would, she immediately calmed down. So with the spin and politics involved, some people try to say that was a bad thing, when many of us didn't think so.

Just an interesting choice of example to use.