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lusciouslizardlips
Sami and EJ talking yelling or what ever you want to call it. I just like to point out to the people that keep saying Sami knows EJ really well then I guess EJ really does love Nicole. Here it is.

"You should admit you love Nicole and stop lying to yourself about it," says Sami.

EJ tells Sami this is none of her business. Sami tells him he screwed up. She plays the Sydney card, "You know she needs you. You know Chad can't be a real father to her. Yo have to know if I'm taking Nicole's side she has really changed."

"The two of you are cut from the same cloth," says EJ, "I'm not changing my mind."
lusciouslizardlips
I would also like to point out that if Sydney is Sami's I see her being more understand with Nicole then people think she will be. This new Sami is more like Marlena every day. I'm not saying she won't be mad but I think she is going to understand why Nicole did what she did.
LuvingLUMI
QUOTE (lusciouslizardlips @ Oct 16 2009, 09:11 AM) *
I would also like to point out that if Sydney is Sami's I see her being more understand with Nicole then people think she will be. This new Sami is more like Marlena every day. I'm not saying she won't be mad but I think she is going to understand why Nicole did what she did.

I actually think you might have something there. Obviously she'll be nuts initially, her reaction to what Nicole did at first won't be wonderful, but I think from this week's conversations we are being led to believe that Sami might actually not want ot separate Nicole from Syd when all is discovered. She won't let Syd stay with Nicole but I do believe that when Sami realizes that a part of Nicole felt terrible guilty after Grace died and another part of Nicole helped her out with Johnny, she might start to realize that although Nicole is vile she did do this completely out of desperation and part mental breakdown after her miscarriage. We also saw Sydney not stop crying the other day and Sami had to bring her to the hospital to find Nicole and EJ because she couldn't find a way to calm her down.
huskygrl
I'm in agreement with you. I think Sami in her new post-Grace state will eventually allow Nicole some kind of visitation with Sydney. (It would be really amusing if she moved Nicole in with her and Rafe - think of the fun they could have with those 3 under the same roof!) I know people keep whining about how boring Sami is now, but between her being a mom of 3 and just now starting to recover from the loss of her baby, she HAS to change some, and I think her fire and zest for life are starting to return anyway. But she has become a smarter, more empathetic cookie in the process.
tylersmom
"You should admit you love Nicole and stop lying to yourself about it," says Sami.

I really don't understand why the writers had her say this line. How is EJ lying to himself about it? He just told Sami the other day that he "loved Nicole, he really loved her". Or, is the confusion because he spoke in the past tense?
tylersmom
QUOTE (lusciouslizardlips @ Oct 16 2009, 10:11 AM) *
I would also like to point out that if Sydney is Sami's I see her being more understand with Nicole then people think she will be. This new Sami is more like Marlena every day. I'm not saying she won't be mad but I think she is going to understand why Nicole did what she did.

I understand what you are saying...but I will be so angry if it happens this way. I'm sorry, but I don't know of one person who would be understanding of the actions of someone who let them grieve for a child that wasn't theirs. I mean, I know that Sami needs a friend- Nicole has Chloe, and for a while Nicole had Ava- and, if there wasn't so much negative history between Sami and Nicole, they would seem to be a good match for a friendship. However, I have always felt that Sami and Nicole were being written as the younger versions of Kate and Vivian, enemies till the end. Guess I was wrong...
Valerieplus3
Yea, I guess the "original" Sami would have done something interesting in retaliation. But I can't say I'd be all that surprised if the writers thought the "new" Sami should be okay with the whole thing.

Ya know, we all argue about EJ and Sami not being right together because some of you think EJ is too evil or whatever, but what if Sami went back to being a bad girl? That way those of you who love EJ being bad could keep him that way?
daisy132
QUOTE (tylerandconnersmom @ Oct 16 2009, 01:08 PM) *
"You should admit you love Nicole and stop lying to yourself about it," says Sami.

I really don't understand why the writers had her say this line. How is EJ lying to himself about it? He just told Sami the other day that he "loved Nicole, he really loved her". Or, is the confusion because he spoke in the past tense?




She didn't say Nicole, she said Sydney. She was talking about Sydney.


daisy132
QUOTE (lusciouslizardlips @ Oct 16 2009, 10:11 AM) *
I would also like to point out that if Sydney is Sami's I see her being more understand with Nicole then people think she will be. This new Sami is more like Marlena every day. I'm not saying she won't be mad but I think she is going to understand why Nicole did what she did.



Sami will not be understanding, she will be furious. Nicole better run, because EJ is a little lamb in comparison. The whole compassionate side and understanding coming from Sami right now that Sami feels for Nicole is a plot point to drive home the anger she will feel and act upon when she'll find out. The only thing I can see that will be saving Nicole will be her breakdown. At the beginning of this storyline I expressed my opinion that Nicole will lose the baby (when she was pregnant) and that she'll lose her mind. I really think that she's heading to the looney bin. She is not, and has not acted like a rational being for a while, and IMO losing Sydney is going to push her over the edge.
lusciouslizardlips
I guess we will all find out sometime in April the way things are going.
LancyPassions
I honestly think Sami will be furious but she'll see that Nicole is off her rocker. I believe that once Sydney is taken from her, Nicole will have a major breakdown. Her miscarriage has really screwed her up emotionally. I don't think it will be as bad as I thought it would be.
oldNanna3
QUOTE (LancyPassions @ Oct 16 2009, 11:20 PM) *
I honestly think Sami will be furious but she'll see that Nicole is off her rocker. I believe that once Sydney is taken from her, Nicole will have a major breakdown. Her miscarriage has really screwed her up emotionally. I don't think it will be as bad as I thought it would be.

Every one keeps saying Nicole was mental after her miscarrage I disagree. She had enough together to plan the whole kidnapping. Talking Mia into giving her baby to her, getting Dr Baker, Stealing Sami's baby. She was clear-headed and focused on getting what she wanted which was ej.She was crazy like a fox!! I don't understand why she didn't steal away a little money each week for when she got caught. Now she's caught and with no money.
StefanoROCKS
QUOTE (huskygrl @ Oct 16 2009, 10:44 AM) *
I'm in agreement with you. I think Sami in her new post-Grace state will eventually allow Nicole some kind of visitation with Sydney. (It would be really amusing if she moved Nicole in with her and Rafe - think of the fun they could have with those 3 under the same roof!) I know people keep whining about how boring Sami is now, but between her being a mom of 3 and just now starting to recover from the loss of her baby, she HAS to change some, and I think her fire and zest for life are starting to return anyway. But she has become a smarter, more empathetic cookie in the process.


That would be great - a little Three's Company action... laugh.gif
EthanandTheresa09
I really think that they only one that is gonna be "MAD AS HE**" is gonna be Brady, just because he was the one talked into this whole she bang. I really feel for Brady and what he is gonna do when he finds out that Nicole's baby "could be" Sami's. That is the day I am not gonna miss.

Does anyone agree with me?
marlenareturns
I think Chad and Mia are going to give Sami temporary custody of the baby until a decision can be made. Nicole, Ej, Chad, and Mia will all get to visit her until her adoption can be worked out. Nicole might even stay with Sami for a while. And Sami will work on putting EJ and Nicole back together.
tylersmom
QUOTE (lusciouslizardlips @ Oct 16 2009, 10:11 AM) *
I would also like to point out that if Sydney is Sami's I see her being more understand with Nicole then people think she will be. This new Sami is more like Marlena every day. I'm not saying she won't be mad but I think she is going to understand why Nicole did what she did.

Or, the writers could be setting it up to make the betrayal even more devastating for Sami. Sami would have expected the "old" Nicole to stab her in the back and do something so terrible. But Sami believes that Nicole has changed...setting the stage for the reveal to be even more devastating for Sami. ohmy.gif
chantelle7
QUOTE (lusciouslizardlips @ Oct 16 2009, 09:07 AM) *
Sami and EJ talking yelling or what ever you want to call it. I just like to point out to the people that keep saying Sami knows EJ really well then I guess EJ really does love Nicole. Here it is.

"You should admit you love Nicole and stop lying to yourself about it," says Sami.

EJ tells Sami this is none of her business. Sami tells him he screwed up. She plays the Sydney card, "You know she needs you. You know Chad can't be a real father to her. Yo have to know if I'm taking Nicole's side she has really changed."

"The two of you are cut from the same cloth," says EJ, "I'm not changing my mind."



monday is a great episode, it is on youtube.com, if anyone wants to see it
Jnta
QUOTE (tylerandconnersmom @ Oct 16 2009, 12:17 PM) *
I understand what you are saying...but I will be so angry if it happens this way. I'm sorry, but I don't know of one person who would be understanding of the actions of someone who let them grieve for a child that wasn't theirs. I mean, I know that Sami needs a friend- Nicole has Chloe, and for a while Nicole had Ava- and, if there wasn't so much negative history between Sami and Nicole, they would seem to be a good match for a friendship. However, I have always felt that Sami and Nicole were being written as the younger versions of Kate and Vivian, enemies till the end. Guess I was wrong...

I don't think Sami's grief would have been any different, or her ongoing love for Grace will be any different once she finds out the truth. She, unlike EJ actually loved Grace for who she was with or without DNA factored in. While she'll want Sydney back and love her all the more for having lost so much time with her, I don't think that she'll regret her relationship with Grace or the time she spent as her mother. I also think that in the end when Mia finds out the truth, she'll have major problems with what Nicole did, but also realize that she ended up having a much closer relationship with Grace while she was in Sami's care than she would have if she'd been the child that wound up with EJ and Nicole.

As for the Kate and Viv comparison, I think that's where they were headed until they decided to take Sami's character in another direction. I for one am very grateful for the changes in her character.
Days_of_Passion07
QUOTE (lusciouslizardlips @ Oct 16 2009, 09:13 PM) *
I guess we will all find out sometime in April the way things are going.


Ari Zucker will be leaving on maternity leave soon, so the end is coming.........hopefully sooner than later
tylersmom
QUOTE (Jnta @ Oct 17 2009, 12:00 PM) *
I don't think Sami's grief would have been any different, or her ongoing love for Grace will be any different once she finds out the truth. She, unlike EJ actually loved Grace for who she was with or without DNA factored in. While she'll want Sydney back and love her all the more for having lost so much time with her, I don't think that she'll regret her relationship with Grace or the time she spent as her mother. I also think that in the end when Mia finds out the truth, she'll have major problems with what Nicole did, but also realize that she ended up having a much closer relationship with Grace while she was in Sami's care than she would have if she'd been the child that wound up with EJ and Nicole.

As for the Kate and Viv comparison, I think that's where they were headed until they decided to take Sami's character in another direction. I for one am very grateful for the changes in her character.

I agree with you. I think that Sami will continue to love and mourn Grace, even when she finds out that she wasn't really her daughter. However, if Nicole hadn't switched the babies, Sami would never have gone through the pain of burying a child. I think that Sami will always be grateful for the time she spent with Grace, but I don't see her being understanding of all the pain Nicole has caused for so many people.

I am also grateful for the changes in Sami's character. I am glad that she finally matured and stopped thinking only of herself, as she did year after year- Austin, Brandon,etc. I just don't want Sami to turn into Marlena. That's just not who Sami is, IMO.
tylersmom
QUOTE (Days_of_Passion07 @ Oct 17 2009, 07:34 PM) *
Ari Zucker will be leaving on maternity leave soon, so the end is coming.........hopefully sooner than later

I think the reveal will come next month but I think they will be "chasing" after Nicole and Sydney for quite a while afterward. sigh.gif
CagedBird
QUOTE (lusciouslizardlips @ Oct 16 2009, 09:11 AM) *
I would also like to point out that if Sydney is Sami's I see her being more understand with Nicole then people think she will be. This new Sami is more like Marlena every day. I'm not saying she won't be mad but I think she is going to understand why Nicole did what she did.

Sami fans aren't looking for another Marlena. I see the truth causing Sami to snap and revert back to some of her old ways. And no way in heck will she understand. I just can't see it. Sami?
HAS
QUOTE (Valerieplus3 @ Oct 16 2009, 06:54 PM) *
Yea, I guess the "original" Sami would have done something interesting in retaliation. But I can't say I'd be all that surprised if the writers thought the "new" Sami should be okay with the whole thing.

Ya know, we all argue about EJ and Sami not being right together because some of you think EJ is too evil or whatever, but what if Sami went back to being a bad girl? That way those of you who love EJ being bad could keep him that way?


If she goes back to being a real bad girl like Nicole, EJ will get her by default. smile.gif

QUOTE (EthanandTheresa09 @ Oct 17 2009, 03:01 AM) *
I really think that they only one that is gonna be "MAD AS HE**" is gonna be Brady, just because he was the one talked into this whole she bang. I really feel for Brady and what he is gonna do when he finds out that Nicole's baby "could be" Sami's. That is the day I am not gonna miss.

Does anyone agree with me?


Poor Brady. He's really been played. THat's the other reason I have little sympathy for Nicole. She played EVERYONE wherever she could, and she did it to serve Nicole, no one else. She will say anything in the moment to justify her actions, and what she says depends on who she's talking to.


As for Sami's reaction? She'll be mad, alright, but she'll also love Rafe more, because he's been trying to help her all this time despite their breakup, and that she was wrong to take Nicole's side over his, and that he STILL worked on trying to help her even after she did take Nicole's side. Rafe had her back through everything.

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bowiehs
I never denied that he did`nt love Nicoe, but he admitted that he only married her because she was pregnant, that is saying alot.
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