Okay Hiro saw the other time master in the cart dead right?

Samuel outright said..... "i had him stash her somewhere in time"

would it just have made too much sense for hiro to go back in time to THAT spot before the time master died and find out where he stashed her. or just go back 2 mins before she dissapeared and take her away somewhere else?

i dunno.

I agree, hiro and Peter drive me crazy with their inability to use their abilities.

It is to the point where I will stop watching if something doesn't change soon.

Heroes using powers to fight and save the world is what I signed up for. These last couple seasons have turned to complete nonsense. It is so incredibly boring to watch. How can you seriously bore me when you have people with friggin super powers!?

Hiro still doesn't have full control of the teleporting part of his ability. When he briefly battled Sylar did you notice that he froze time and then ran behind Sylar? He didn't teleport behind Sylar because he doesn't have full control of teleporting. As he said 2 episodes ago, lately it is more like time and space control him.

Even Samuel confirmed this. He told Hiro two pieces of information: 1. That Charlie was at the carnival and 2. That she was in their present time. He did this to get Hiro to concentrate so he could teleport them both back to the present time. And Samuel even told Hiro that he could control his power, indicating that before, Hiro couldn't.

Also consider that Hiro sees Samuel as a powerful person. For all Hiro knows, if he goes back in time two minutes to save Charlie from Samuel, Samuel may just go back himself and save her. Hiro didn't know that Samuel couldn't time travel himself or that Samuel's time traveler was dead.

But now he knows that ,so why can't he just go back two minutes ago and take his lovely Charlie

back again?

it's a cop-out dude. it'[s like in every story where the good guys get a really awesome weapon from the bad guys who almost used to wreak havoc and the heroes up and destroy the item cuz suppsedly in the wrong hands it would be too powerful when in actuality it is because the writer has no idea how to challenge the heroes further if they let them hang on to their powerful weapon. so that's what's up with peter and hiro, it's impossible to mess with anyone that is controlling time and space. If Hiro and Peter were not made to be total morons then it would always be an insta-win for the good guys. Sylar gets to keep all his ponies because a bad guy supposed to be an uber threat.
so to summarize it all, the good guys can't be allowed to be smart or powerful until the last 3 episodes of the season because otherwise there would be no story to write.

I agree. Hiro doesn't even need control of his power "now". All he needs is control ever, some time in the future. All Hiro has to do is tell Samuel something like -

Hiro - "Ah, Samuel-san, I am master of time and space. I will find a cure for my illness and I will regain control of my power. I have already found Charlie, or at least I will. Charlie is safe from you now. Look in your pocket."

Samuel could then pull out Charlie's nametag, or a picture of Hiro and Charlie on a beach or something-

Hiro - "And now, a 50lb bag of rice will fall on your head" - THUMP

Anyone ever watch "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure?" Why were those guys about the only time travel characters who used time travel effectively?

I don't understand why everyone wants the Heroes to think of the best solution to every situation. These people aren't masterminds. With the exception of their powers, they are normal people. I didn't think of that solution, so it's certainly possible Hiro didn't think of it.

I know Heroes has plot holes, but people not thinking of the best solution to every situation is not one. These are people, not calculating, analyzing robots.

I compleatly agree wif this.it's a big reason why I like the show is cuz the characters are relatable...they're human.sometimes they make the best decisions the first time but most times they make mistakes and learn from them.jus like all of us do

This is why you stay away from time travel in stories. It never ends. Hiro is the most powerful Hero of them all because there isn't anything he couldn't change or stop. He could kill Hitler before he came to power. He could kill Sylar before he came to power. The list goes on and on and just creates too many loop holes in any story. We as viewers of the show need to understand that this would take all drama out of the show. We need need to just enjoy the ride for what it is and stop analyzing every little thing about it.

Personally I think giving Hiro the ability to time travel and initially giving Peter the power to absorb all other powers was the worst thing they could have done to the show. Again, it just creates too many loop holes for people to analyze and critique. If Peter was always as he is now and Hiro only had the ability to teleport then none of these arguments would be possible.


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that's utter nosense. none of us here are super masterminds. we're all normal people and the solutions we come up with here are actually really obvious ones which is why it annoys us so much that the characters are made to make the choices they do. It has nothing to with being realistic because if realism was the case the bad guys wouldn't be as successful as they have. take Sylar for instance, a lot of what he does doesn't even get explained. we see it happening and we just gotta sit and so "o it's Sylar and he's the bad guy, of course he's not gonna make a moronic mistake."

Don't know if this could be better said.

The heroes are just stupid, plain stupid.

Guys, its a tv show. They're trying to create drama. If they did the logical thing all the time, it would make for a pretty boring show because it would create very little drama. Besides, this show has done the same thing since the beginning in terms of characters doing things the hard way. If it bugs you that much, just stop watching, because I can't see them changing after 4 years of doing it the same way. It might not be logical and it might make you want to jab a pencil into your eye, but if you've been with the show from the beginning, you know how things are done and if it bugs you, you only have yourself to blame.

i dunno but if one has to resort to making the heroes into morons to create drama that only tells me that the writer isn't up to the task of telling a believably coherent and complex story. it's why i stick to writing short stories because i can't drag a story out over 300+ pages.

Making a character overlook obvious solutions is a staple of the TV Sitcom, but really doesn't work well in a drama.

peter could also go back in time and prevent his past self from touching his father... then he gets his old powers back...


hahaha.. i hate time travel... the movie it was used well was in the time travellers wife

Whether you think it works well or not, it's the way they've always done it. Don't expect it to change now.

I don't think they're acting any more stupid than they already have. Its how its always been. People who analyze the show and care enough about it to have hundreds of posts on a forum dedicated to a show are going to realize all the options and solutions, and crucify the character for being human. You guys all came to these conclusions, you watch the show in-depth, you read about it, etc. So we would have arrived at these conclusions. An overwhelmed Hiro in a carnival of supers is not on his heels and it is certainly reasonable for him to act the way he did.

I'm nott trying to bash anyone here at all. This isn't aimed at anyone. But just because we had time to analyze the sitation and came to the best possible solution doesn't mean a normal person (which our characters are portrayed to be, other than the super powers of course) would have. And if you're sitting there going "No! No! I said it right away!" Well good for you and enjoy your time in the minority.

/rant

I think the general complaint is more than a moments bad decision. These people are themselves all the time, and theoretically would have more time than the most dedicated fan to figure out how to use their own abilities best, not to mention infinitely more motivation.

In the case of time travel in particular, they've got all the time in the world. IMO the stupidest character has to be Arthur. He had time travel and immortality (not to mention a number of other very useful abilities) and had no little moral block preventing him for using them. It wouldn't take 10 seconds to come up with a better gameplan.

Meh. Timetravel BAD.

I absolutely agree. I like how everything does not fall into place so obviously and perfectly. I like their very human traits.

No matter how prepared and "used to" your abilities you are you still don't have as much time as we do. Think about it - our time to analyze any particular situation is infinite, and the heroes obviously have a very limited time to act/react at a certain time.

I could be the best damn lawyer in the world, spend all my time reading and studying. Does that mean I'll win every case?

I can knw all about safety precautions, I could have been working in construction for 30 years, and I know it like the back of my hand. Am I immortal? Can I not still accidently fall from thousand of feet up ? Yes, I can, because I like the heroes are human.

I understand your point, they should spend allll their time learning their ability down pat. But #1 - there's not exactly a school or any real way of even knowing how

And #2- it still doesn't help you make split decisions

So just because we all came to a logical conclusion after discussing it with our fellow analytical forum posters it should not be a stretch to assume the normal human would not have immediately thought of this decision. Maybe Hiro will rise to this conclusion we don't even know yet because people are waiting here, torch in hand, waiting to storm the bastille every time something happens and its not the way they would have done it..

So give the writers credit here. They have a pretty successful super hero drama show where the people all make humanly decisions. Smartest decisions? No, but you show me a human who always makes smart decisions and ill show you a fool.

i actually thought of that like 2 secs into samuel explaining what he did. if i were hiro i would have just popped back.

Geo the problem is, Hiro DOES have all the time in the world to think about what ever the hell he wants. If you don't see this well, i must be talking to a brick wall.

See that's the thing Tevil, I would say you, me and the general audience feel the same way. He is the master of Time and Space. You tell me something about kidnapping my girlfriend, I teleport 10 Minutes before the situation ever accord. It's not something to ponder It's gut instinct something our heroes seem to lack.

I mean really these are the best situations they can think of? Sure they have to create a show, but i rather it be more complex and not explain why all these logical explanations simply don't exists in the heroes universe.

I have been watching heroes since season 1 and it has indeed went down hill ever since. People say this season is reviving it, but peter is still stupid, so is Hiro. It's not like these people haven't been in high stress predicaments before i mean, they had 3 seasons of growing up to do. How long until we see our heroes take control?

Well that's just my opinion personally

look at how many posts I have on this board. less than 10. i wasn't here discussing anything at length and i started watching this show approximately a week ago. every solution I Have come up with I came up with it instantly and on the fly. do you know why? it's not because I am some super dedicated fan. no. it is because the answers are OBVIOUS!!

regarding peter getting his powers back by preventing his old self from touching arthur, this is not a split second decision... peter had months and he didn't think about this... imo, there's just no excuse for this..

and funny how peter decided to get mohinder's ability instead of time travel... he could have saved more people with time travel...


btw, out of the topic, if you stop time, do you still age?

So what are you doing watching a show where all the characters make stupid decisions and all writing is illogical? If I had half as many negative things to say about this show as most of you I would have stopped watching seasons ago.. Hiro has been doing this since S1 and people are still complaining? What's the point? Do you think the writers are gunna read this and be like ooooooooooh why didn't weee think of that? Idk it just seems like a moot point. Obviously Hiro doesn't do things like that because this show wouldn't be interesting. Would you rather he solve every problem by transporting 10 minutes back? Would we still be watching?

THe whole show is not stupid. the problem we have is that they writers make the characters mke the least obvious decision at key moments just to create a false sense of drama. The way the characters make decisions in this show lacks serious believability.and are you actually arguing that the characters don't routinely make the least obvious decision that even a 5 year old would see all the time?

I would rather see him do this than have the story of every season based on the false premise that can't use his powers to fix these problems. The writers should have never given someone the power of time travel in the first place if they knew that they couldn't tell a story filled with drama and conflict without having to come up with some half-baked reason why the time traveler couldn't solve the problem.
when I write stories and I create villains and heroes I don't introduce any element in the story that I have to resort to the insulting the intelligence of the characters and readers to keep the tale going. If you're gonna need to make the characters stupid to fuel the plot then it is obvious you should not be writing that story.

Hiro continues to age while time is stopped because he is not stopped.

Up until this season, Hiro has refused to tamper with time and has not had reliable control of his time travel/freeze ability so all of this is "new" to him.

Just remember, it's easy to armchair quarterback the Heroes characters but their flaws are what make them good characters.

flaws are fine and dandy if they make sense and are there for some reason other than to arbitrarily create conflict.

now about all this being new to Hiro. Hiro does not strike me as the type who won't practice his powers. He is the only character that will use his powers just for *****. even if he sin't practicing, in that one episode with the guy on the roof of his office building, Hiro went back in time over 50 times. I would say he got tons of practice.
on top of that the fact that he controls time doesn't matter when he has a change of heart. in the first 3 seasons he was against going back in time to change things. now he doesn't have that problem anymore so as in the case of saving Charlie, fixing season 1, 2, or 3 wrong isn't a problem.

The writers have enough trouble keeping the continuity of the "cartoon Physics" of how the powers work, or more accurately, what they can't do.

The reason Hiro doesn't 'split jump' back to when Charlie was taken is threefold:
1) Samuel's still back there, and he's tough to deal with
2) Samuel's old, dying, timeshifter was likely to mess with Hiro's ability
3) He could get lost in time again, and THEN how would he help Charlie?

Basically, Samuel has found the one way to certainly get Hiro to do what he wants. And so far, Samuel has kept his word: if Charlie is safe somewhere in time, Samuel will eventually tell Hiro where that is.

From a writer's perspective, it's as simple as this: Charlie is the McGuffin for Hiro, the Reason Why He's Cooperating With Samuel. Don't question that it's a devil's deal, that Samuel isn't trustworthy. Hiro decided that while Sam is a scoundel, his word here can, in fact must, be trusted.

Save the gripes for continuity errors like Claire's Blood/2Nathans.....

Dude Samuel stated his time traveler was dead. Charlie was taken after she left the diner. Please explain to me why Hiro could simply not teleport to the time before charlie walked out the door and teleport the hell out of there leaving samuel and with no resources to travel back again and stop Hiro.

Perhaps one of the carnies had the ability to stop Hiro from using his powers, but if that's the case at least show it. Don't leave the viewers to guess all the time.