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SBlover
I am getting bad vibe from this guy no one is a perfect is this i admit he does love Sami but i think her Sydney is what he really wants more than ever. Remember how badly he wanted to adopt knowing she already had a father now i bet you when or if EJ has this melt down he will try and turn Sami against EJ and tell her to sue for full custody of Sydney. I think EJ will in bad way and may not up to looking after his daughter and Rafe will use that as a reason to tell Sami to stab EJ in the back while he at his lowest. I am hoping sami tells him to clear if she trys saying that to her she still cares a great about EJ i still think she loves him and her reaction will very different to how she handled the Grace situation.

Safe fans i know you think i am bashing Rafe buts its only my opinion i just read some rumours on Days cafe and this storyline may come true its possible i read GG saying a few months ago he wouldn't mind playing bad guy well if he did that to me he would be bad because Sydney is not his daughter and he knows EJ had nothing to do with Nicole did and so does Sami so there is no reason to try take his kid of him.
calicocat
Rafe is Not her Biological Child and Second EJ would never allow Sami to let another man raise his daughter that would never happen he'd fight For custody Before he allows another man to Raise her. Sami and EJ are and always will Be Sydney's Biological Parents they are her Flesh and blood she's a Dimera, I could never see another man *Rafe* raising her....
BMoreBabe
I think the only way Rafe would end up raising Sydney, atleast for a while is if EJ has a major breakdown or ends up in an institution or something. EJ is not just going to allow some man, especially Rafe who tried to keep who he thought was his daughter away from him once already, raise his daughter!!
toosh
QUOTE (BMoreBabe @ Nov 4 2009, 03:28 PM) *
I think the only way Rafe would end up raising Sydney, atleast for a while is if EJ has a major breakdown or ends up in an institution or something. EJ is not just going to allow some man, especially Rafe who tried to keep who he thought was his daughter away from him once already, raise his daughter!!



Let's wait until we are sure just who Sydney's real biological parents are. I still believe that Dr. Baker and Stepho. could have been involved in this baby switch and thus, anything could be possible. It looks like Rafe has been able to get a true and untampered with DNA test , so we should get an answer soon. It looks like is is going to be EJami but with Baker and Stepho. and in Salem,nothing is ever as apparent as it seems to be to us fans.
volsfan
Not only is EJ not going to allow this to happen, I do not think Rafe would expect it. He will know this is much different and I dont think this will even cross his mind, nor Sami's. For one thing, EJ is going to be the only parent Sydney really knows. And when I think they mention "meltdown" it will be a really, really tough time in his life, with alot of change, but I dont think he is headed for a padded cell or anything. For one thing, they cant afford to take JS off the screen, he, AS, and AZ carry this show. If AZ were not going on maternity leave she would not be leaving our screens for a bit either - just worked out as good timing for Days with her pregnancy. But she is not gone, nor will JS.

But I do not think for a minute this will be Rafe's intentions or even touched on. He knows the reveal will simply mean Sami will share another child with EJ....I think that will be the extent of that.
Princess_Jenna
QUOTE (volsfan @ Nov 4 2009, 02:24 PM) *
Not only is EJ not going to allow this to happen, I do not think Rafe would expect it. He will know this is much different and I dont think this will even cross his mind, nor Sami's. For one thing, EJ is going to be the only parent Sydney really knows. And when I think they mention "meltdown" it will be a really, really tough time in his life, with alot of change, but I dont think he is headed for a padded cell or anything. For one thing, they cant afford to take JS off the screen, he, AS, and AZ carry this show. If AZ were not going on maternity leave she would not be leaving our screens for a bit either - just worked out as good timing for Days with her pregnancy. But she is not gone, nor will JS.

But I do not think for a minute this will be Rafe's intentions or even touched on. He knows the reveal will simply mean Sami will share another child with EJ....I think that will be the extent of that.

I agree. I don't think Rafe will try to take away Sydney. He's a loving guy and knows that EJ is the only father Sydney has ever known. If this transition is going to go smoothly at all they're all going to have to help each other not fight over who "daddy" should be.
Sadieq
QUOTE (toosh @ Nov 4 2009, 04:12 PM) *
Let's wait until we are sure just who Sydney's real biological parents are. I still believe that Dr. Baker and Stepho. could have been involved in this baby switch and thus, anything could be possible. It looks like Rafe has been able to get a true and untampered with DNA test , so we should get an answer soon. It looks like is is going to be EJami but with Baker and Stepho. and in Salem,nothing is ever as apparent as it seems to be to us fans.



Yeah but what if that was Nicoles toothbrush?
huskygrl
QUOTE (volsfan @ Nov 4 2009, 04:24 PM) *
Not only is EJ not going to allow this to happen, I do not think Rafe would expect it. He will know this is much different and I dont think this will even cross his mind, nor Sami's. For one thing, EJ is going to be the only parent Sydney really knows. And when I think they mention "meltdown" it will be a really, really tough time in his life, with alot of change, but I dont think he is headed for a padded cell or anything. For one thing, they cant afford to take JS off the screen, he, AS, and AZ carry this show. If AZ were not going on maternity leave she would not be leaving our screens for a bit either - just worked out as good timing for Days with her pregnancy. But she is not gone, nor will JS.

But I do not think for a minute this will be Rafe's intentions or even touched on. He knows the reveal will simply mean Sami will share another child with EJ....I think that will be the extent of that.


I completely agree, the most Rafe may ask for is to be a Step-Dad, he'll love Syd but he'll respect EJ as her dad, just the way Sami is going to have to. Of course this is assuming Syd ends up being EJ and Sami's child, but this IS Days, so only time will tell!
Ladely
QUOTE (SBlover @ Nov 4 2009, 12:37 PM) *
I am getting bad vibe from this guy no one is a perfect is this i admit he does love Sami but i think her Sydney is what he really wants more than ever. Remember how badly he wanted to adopt knowing she already had a father now i bet you when or if EJ has this melt down he will try and turn Sami against EJ and tell her to sue for full custody of Sydney. I think EJ will in bad way and may not up to looking after his daughter and Rafe will use that as a reason to tell Sami to stab EJ in the back while he at his lowest. I am hoping sami tells him to clear if she trys saying that to her she still cares a great about EJ i still think she loves him and her reaction will very different to how she handled the Grace situation.

Safe fans i know you think i am bashing Rafe buts its only my opinion i just read some rumours on Days cafe and this storyline may come true its possible i read GG saying a few months ago he wouldn't mind playing bad guy well if he did that to me he would be bad because Sydney is not his daughter and he knows EJ had nothing to do with Nicole did and so does Sami so there is no reason to try take his kid of him.


For starters I am not a Safe fan, I am not a EJami, and I am not a Lumi fan in anyway. I think because of that I have no prejudice for any of these couples.

That being said, I disagree that Rafe just wants Sydney. I think he wants to protect Sami and Sydney from EJ - he knows that Sami was protecting her baby from the DiMeras because they are evil (yes, they are... the DiMeras have been the bad guys in this show since the 80s!). Sami didn't hide her pregnancy because of Rafe, she hid her pregnancy because she was afraid of having another child being raised by the DiMeras.

I realize EJami fans want to be in denial that EJ is by no means an innocent party in this show. He's a drug dealer, he's a murderer, he's not a nice guy.
BammBam
I'm an fan of Safe and an on-the-fence fan of Ejami, so this post will be free of bias. I can say with absolutely certainty Rafe will not attempt nor think about taking Sydney from EJ. He was never that kind of guy and still isn't. As a poster already mentioned, he's a loving guy and while he doesn't always play by the rules, he knows when it's not his place to meddle with other people's lives and play god. And before people mentioned he took Grace away from EJ, I am going to continue stressing that he did not originally want Sami to keep Grace from her father. Sami was the one who kept telling him how dangerous the Dimeras are and that her child will have no future because of them, and he listened to her advice. But Sydney's situation is entirely different. I think Rafe has learned his lesson from when he "supposedly took" Grace from EJ and while he won't be too thrilled about having EJ back in Sami's life again, he is going to accept it. After all, this is the guy who's been known to make so many sacrifices even at his own expense.

The real question people should be asking is how Rafe will react once Sami and EJ grow closer and no one can deny that they are growing closer. I just watched tomorrow's episode, and I don't want to give too much away, but there's definitely something still there between Sami and EJ.
Ladely
QUOTE (BammBam @ Nov 4 2009, 08:11 PM) *
I'm an fan of Safe and an on-the-fence fan of Ejami, so this post will be free of bias. I can say with absolutely certainty Rafe will not attempt nor think about taking Sydney from EJ. He was never that kind of guy and still isn't. As a poster already mentioned, he's a loving guy and while he doesn't always play by the rules, he knows when it's not his place to meddle with other people's lives and play god. And before people mentioned he took Grace away from EJ, I am going to continue stressing that he did not originally want Sami to keep Grace from her father. Sami was the one who kept telling him how dangerous the Dimeras are and that her child will have no future because of them, and he listened to her advice. But Sydney's situation is entirely different. I think Rafe has learned his lesson from when he "supposedly took" Grace from EJ and while he won't be too thrilled about having EJ back in Sami's life again, he is going to accept it. After all, this is the guy who's been known to make so many sacrifices even at his own expense.

The real question people should be asking is how Rafe will react once Sami and EJ grow closer and no one can deny that they are growing closer. I just watched tomorrow's episode, and I don't want to give too much away, but there's definitely something still there between Sami and EJ.


I agree, great post.
Miss_J
QUOTE (Princess_Jenna @ Nov 4 2009, 04:53 PM) *
I agree. I don't think Rafe will try to take away Sydney. He's a loving guy and knows that EJ is the only father Sydney has ever known. If this transition is going to go smoothly at all they're all going to have to help each other not fight over who "daddy" should be.


Miss Jena I absolutely agree:)
Rafe is not a baby thief he only wants Sami and her children's safety and well being.
I definitely think they all (Nicole included) will have to sit down and work this out for the kids as they are most important in this situation.If they want to fuss and fight about the rest of it then have at it,but put the children first.

QUOTE (Ladely @ Nov 4 2009, 06:50 PM) *
For starters I am not a Safe fan, I am not a EJami, and I am not a Lumi fan in anyway. I think because of that I have no prejudice for any of these couples.

That being said, I disagree that Rafe just wants Sydney. I think he wants to protect Sami and Sydney from EJ - he knows that Sami was protecting her baby from the DiMeras because they are evil (yes, they are... the DiMeras have been the bad guys in this show since the 80s!). Sami didn't hide her pregnancy because of Rafe, she hid her pregnancy because she was afraid of having another child being raised by the DiMeras.

I realize EJami fans want to be in denial that EJ is by no means an innocent party in this show. He's a drug dealer, he's a murderer, he's not a nice guy.


Great post smile.gif
laylia
i am a ejami fan and agree that rafe did not steel grace in anyway. that was sami's decision based on stefano and then phil, I think rafe is going to be worried about it still, but i really hope he doesn't try and tell sami to do the same thing again because as others have said this situation is different and if the writers go that route it would really not be good for his character.
LuvingLUMI
The only reason Rafe was in Grace's life to begin with was because Sami wanted him to be. I suspect that when all this boils down..Rafe will realize that separating Syd from Ej just because he would want to would be the wrong move. I don't think Rafe would want to do anything Sami doesn't take the lead on and it's bad enough that this baby will need to adapt to transition from Nicole to Sami as the mom, I never saw Rafe as willingly wanting to rob Grace away from EJ...I always thought that he was following Sami's orders when it came to Grace and trying to avoid Dimera influence on her.
oldannie
QUOTE (LuvingLUMI @ Nov 5 2009, 01:31 PM) *
The only reason Rafe was in Grace's life to begin with was because Sami wanted him to be. I suspect that when all this boils down..Rafe will realize that separating Syd from Ej just because he would want to would be the wrong move. I don't think Rafe would want to do anything Sami doesn't take the lead on and it's bad enough that this baby will need to adapt to transition from Nicole to Sami as the mom, I never saw Rafe as willingly wanting to rob Grace away from EJ...I always thought that he was following Sami's orders when it came to Grace and trying to avoid Dimera influence on her.

Sami never brought up his adopting Grace, that was Rafe's idea, pretty final in robbing a father of a child he didnt even know he had. isnt that called kidnapping? think it is against the law.
bowiehs
Sblover how do you come up with these threads? You get like the most responses, I respect that smile.gif As far as your suggestion, anything is possible with these predictable writers. I just hope that does`nt happen, I don`t want Rafe to play daddy, that would make my stomach hurl. I want to see Ejami raise sydney together, but with R sleeping.gif in the picture, that is probably not going to happen.
iheartmcs
QUOTE (Miss_J @ Nov 5 2009, 11:50 AM) *
I definitely think they all (Nicole included) will have to sit down and work this out for the kids


i don't think nicole should be included in what happens with the kids; none of them are hers, even if she did raise sydney from birth. syd still isn't hers and i really don't see ej and sami letting nicole near sydney after they find out what she did.
Shanda
QUOTE (oldannie @ Nov 5 2009, 02:03 PM) *
Sami never brought up his adopting Grace, that was Rafe's idea, pretty final in robbing a father of a child he didnt even know he had. isnt that called kidnapping? think it is against the law.

What Rafe wanted to do was illegal but it could hardly be called kidnapping as the biological mother was still going to be the primary carer for Grace.

Rafe only asked Sami if he could adopt Grace after she had taken the decision ‘never’ to tell EJ that he was Grace’s father after hearing that he had attempted to murder Philip, had Brady beat up and Stephanie kidnapped.

Rafe explained at the time he wanted to do this so that Grace would ‘have a father in her corner’. Will and Allie would have Lucas, Johnny would have EJ and Grace would have had no-one as her father and Rafe wanted to take on the role.

Sami actually said she wished the Rafe was the biological father therefore was delighted at this suggestion and just as keen as Rafe to get it done. He would never have been able to pursue this without Sami enthusiastic agreement and desire for the same thing.

Will Rafe try to take Sydney from EJ? How would that even be possible? EJ is already established as Sydney’s father. However, as long as Rafe and Sami are in a relationship together and if he moves back in or they get married he will be step dad to all of her children and live with them 50% of the time [whenever Sami has them] and bond with them all. That will be unavoidable.
SafeDreamin
QUOTE (LuvingLUMI @ Nov 5 2009, 02:31 PM) *
The only reason Rafe was in Grace's life to begin with was because Sami wanted him to be. I suspect that when all this boils down..Rafe will realize that separating Syd from Ej just because he would want to would be the wrong move. I don't think Rafe would want to do anything Sami doesn't take the lead on and it's bad enough that this baby will need to adapt to transition from Nicole to Sami as the mom, I never saw Rafe as willingly wanting to rob Grace away from EJ...I always thought that he was following Sami's orders when it came to Grace and trying to avoid Dimera influence on her.


Right, Rafe was still trying to tell Sami to tell him and come clean, till Roman confirmed that he suspected the Dimera's behind the mayor's killing (and thus the hit on Sami). At that pointed he decided she was 100% right in what she wanted to do and was behind her.

Sami was concerned her child wouldnt have a father and said that many times, and that was Rafe's reasoning for wanting to adopt Grace, so she would know he was always there for her. Not because he had this crazy baby obsession as some wanted it to be.

Personally it was a silly plot point and not realistic and not needed. Not much different than Ej kicking Nicole and the baby out without a dime, while he is a jerk I dont really think he wouldnt give her some money to keep that baby on. But it was a plot point a stupid one (again).

As for claiming kidnapping, how? Ej had no parental rights established. That is something he should consider when having unprotected sex with multiple women, none of which he was even in a commited relationship with much less married too.
JadeDeveraux
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QUOTE (Ladely @ Nov 4 2009, 06:50 PM) *
For starters I am not a Safe fan, I am not a EJami, and I am not a Lumi fan in anyway. I think because of that I have no prejudice for any of these couples.

That being said, I disagree that Rafe just wants Sydney. I think he wants to protect Sami and Sydney from EJ - he knows that Sami was protecting her baby from the DiMeras because they are evil (yes, they are... the DiMeras have been the bad guys in this show since the 80s!). Sami didn't hide her pregnancy because of Rafe, she hid her pregnancy because she was afraid of having another child being raised by the DiMeras.

I realize EJami fans want to be in denial that EJ is by no means an innocent party in this show. He's a drug dealer, he's a murderer, he's not a nice guy.


I agree too.
I talked to a friend in mine about today's episode (yesterday's in Canada) and what is "between them" is a deep love for their children. They care about each other but they LOVE their children. Same thing with Lucas and Sami. Sami has a heart, she feels bad that EJ didn't get a chance to know Grace; I don't think anyone would expect less from Sami. Time has passed, some of the wounds are not as open...perspective gained...
That does NOT mean Sami is IN love with EJ. Sami cares about him; but she does not want to be WITH him, or part of that life. She has made it VERY obvious that she loves RAFE and that RAFE is her future.
oldannie
at the time Sami conceived Sydney, she and EJ were still married. anytime you try to take a child from his/hers legal parent without consent it is kidnapping. Sami may have wished Rafe was the father but he wasn't. Adopting was illegal also just as Mia not consulting Chad about their baby was not legal either for her to give it away legally. So Rafe and Nicole both attempted to take children in an illegal way. Biological parents usually may not take their children on a plane out of the country without a signed affadavit from both parents giving consent to the trip because of so many kidnappings, running off with children never to be seen again. Yes stupid plot points but it still was kidnapping as EJ was never given a chance to even know his supposed daughter. He has never been proven to be a bad father, Sami has always said what a good father he was/is, so what was the point of all this stupidity. Rafe doesn't mind bending, breaking stretching the rules and laws to benefit what he wants to do. all who you like.
SBlover
QUOTE (oldannie @ Nov 6 2009, 10:04 AM) *
at the time Sami conceived Sydney, she and EJ were still married. anytime you try to take a child from his/hers legal parent without consent it is kidnapping. Sami may have wished Rafe was the father but he wasn't. Adopting was illegal also just as Mia not consulting Chad about their baby was not legal either for her to give it away legally. So Rafe and Nicole both attempted to take children in an illegal way. Biological parents usually may not take their children on a plane out of the country without a signed affadavit from both parents giving consent to the trip because of so many kidnappings, running off with children never to be seen again. Yes stupid plot points but it still was kidnapping as EJ was never given a chance to even know his supposed daughter. He has never been proven to be a bad father, Sami has always said what a good father he was/is, so what was the point of all this stupidity. Rafe doesn't mind bending, breaking stretching the rules and laws to benefit what he wants to do. all who you like.


Rafe is a creep he acts all nice but underneath he is a bad egg and that guys disgust me when he said EJ can't hurt Grace anymore after Sami told him his daughter was dead. He knew and Sami as well that EJ would never any of kids he love them more than anything i hope EJ keeps that creep away from Sydney i actually think he shpuld put a bullet in his head if trys to come near his daughter. Its getting to point now that i longer care about Ejami anymore i tell if Sami takes Rafe side and trys to EJ daughter of him as well i wouldn't be surprised we all know she is a fickle bitch i hope EJ makes her pay along with Rafe and does something really bad to them. I am sorry Ejami fans i still love Ejami but if Sami turns on EJ and takes that man's side then she is dead to me as far i am concerned.
tylersmom
First, I have to make it clear that I am a Safe, Ejami, and Lumi- I enjoy all of them!!

Now, with that being said, I do not think that Rafe will try to keep Sydney from EJ. Yes, what Rafe did was technically illegal. Trying to adopt a child without consent from the biological father, while knowing who the biological father is, is illegal. However, I can't hold it against the guy. I think that his motivations were purely out of love for Grace. Sami made it very clear to him on numerous occasions that she was never going to tell EJ about his daughter. I think that Rafe did not want Grace to grow up without a father. He wanted to be that father to Grace, love her and protect her, but only after he knew that Sami was never going to let EJ be a part of Grace's life. Rafe reminds me a lot of Bo- trying to do the right thing, and willing to sometimes break the rules, if that's what it takes.

I don't see him even considering keeping Sydney from EJ. Sydney has been raised by EJ since day one. Sami herself has said countless times how much EJ loves Sydney. Unless the writers do a complete 360 with Rafe's character, I can't picture him doing the obvious wrong thing by Sydney.
iheartmcs
QUOTE (SBlover @ Nov 6 2009, 11:17 AM) *
Rafe is a creep he acts all nice but underneath he is a bad egg and that guys disgust me when he said EJ can't hurt Grace anymore after Sami told him his daughter was dead. He knew and Sami as well that EJ would never any of kids he love them more than anything i hope EJ keeps that creep away from Sydney i actually think he shpuld put a bullet in his head if trys to come near his daughter. Its getting to point now that i longer care about Ejami anymore i tell if Sami takes Rafe side and trys to EJ daughter of him as well i wouldn't be surprised we all know she is a fickle bitch i hope EJ makes her pay along with Rafe and does something really bad to them. I am sorry Ejami fans i still love Ejami but if Sami turns on EJ and takes that man's side then she is dead to me as far i am concerned.



it seems like you just really hate rafe. but the majority of people who have replied to this post don't think that rafe is a creep and they don't think he will try to take sydney away from ej, just like they don't think that he "took/kidnapped" grace. sami just didn't want to tell ej about her, which was wrong, yes, but she had her reasons, stupid as they were. and rafe just went along with whatever sami decided.
iheartmcs
QUOTE (tylerandconnersmom @ Nov 6 2009, 11:49 AM) *
First, I have to make it clear that I am a Safe, Ejami, and Lumi- I enjoy all of them!!

Now, with that being said, I do not think that Rafe will try to keep Sydney from EJ. Yes, what Rafe did was technically illegal. Trying to adopt a child without consent from the biological father, while knowing who the biological father is, is illegal. However, I can't hold it against the guy. I think that his motivations were purely out of love for Grace. Sami made it very clear to him on numerous occasions that she was never going to tell EJ about his daughter. I think that Rafe did not want Grace to grow up without a father. He wanted to be that father to Grace, love her and protect her, but only after he knew that Sami was never going to let EJ be a part of Grace's life. Rafe reminds me a lot of Bo- trying to do the right thing, and willing to sometimes break the rules, if that's what it takes.

I don't see him even considering keeping Sydney from EJ. Sydney has been raised by EJ since day one. Sami herself has said countless times how much EJ loves Sydney. Unless the writers do a complete 360 with Rafe's character, I can't picture him doing the obvious wrong thing by Sydney.


good post.
marlenareturns
EJ knows that Sami has given her heart to Rafe. I think he will sue for custody of both kids and will use the fact that he knows about Arianna's "drug dealer" business against him. Rafe will have to give Sami up to protect his sister's cover and so that Sami will be able to keep her kids.
bigrafefan
QUOTE (oldannie @ Nov 6 2009, 10:04 AM) *
at the time Sami conceived Sydney, she and EJ were still married. anytime you try to take a child from his/hers legal parent without consent it is kidnapping. Sami may have wished Rafe was the father but he wasn't. Adopting was illegal also just as Mia not consulting Chad about their baby was not legal either for her to give it away legally. So Rafe and Nicole both attempted to take children in an illegal way. Biological parents usually may not take their children on a plane out of the country without a signed affadavit from both parents giving consent to the trip because of so many kidnappings, running off with children never to be seen again. Yes stupid plot points but it still was kidnapping as EJ was never given a chance to even know his supposed daughter. He has never been proven to be a bad father, Sami has always said what a good father he was/is, so what was the point of all this stupidity. Rafe doesn't mind bending, breaking stretching the rules and laws to benefit what he wants to do. all who you like.


Actually, legally, the marriage never existed, it was annulled. So it according to the federal and state government it never happened. And no matter what EJ could never call anyone a kidnapper, because wouldn't that be the pot calling the kettle black.
bigrafefan
QUOTE (marlenareturns @ Nov 6 2009, 11:00 AM) *
EJ knows that Sami has given her heart to Rafe. I think he will sue for custody of both kids and will use the fact that he knows about Arianna's "drug dealer" business against him. Rafe will have to give Sami up to protect his sister's cover and so that Sami will be able to keep her kids.


which again makes Rafe the better man, and EJ the creep...
LancyPassions
I also think Ej will sue for custody especially with rafe back. He'll do anything to spite him. I read on the dayahead that Sami says EJ is untrustworthy and doesn't have a moral bone in his body. He also seems more determined than ever to get close to ARi cause Rafe told him to stay away from his sister.
oldannie
dont hate Rafe but find it strange a man who was in law enforcement would even consider taking another mans child - still illegal and not want to marry the mother only have sex with her, sounds like kind of a creep to me. he's not a better man just a horny man. even if the marriage got annulled they were married at the time and living together. all mariages in Salem seem to get annulled. loving a child is one thing but to take her from her father no matter what Sami wanted was wrong. Sami makes lots of decisions she later regrets, thats her m.o.
huskygrl
QUOTE (oldannie @ Nov 6 2009, 12:36 PM) *
dont hate Rafe but find it strange a man who was in law enforcement would even consider taking another mans child - still illegal and not want to marry the mother only have sex with her, sounds like kind of a creep to me. he's not a better man just a horny man. even if the marriage got annulled they were married at the time and living together. all mariages in Salem seem to get annulled. loving a child is one thing but to take her from her father no matter what Sami wanted was wrong. Sami makes lots of decisions she later regrets, thats her m.o.


If you want to get REALLY technical, Sami was the only parent of Grace by virtue of the annulled marriage and the fact that she did not ever state a father. For EJ to be LEGALLY the daddy he would have had to prove it with a paternity test. So if you'd like to pick nits Sami was the only one to legally (I'm not saying ethically, just legally) have a say in Grace's upbringing. Also, Rafe never said he did not want to marry Sami, he said she and the kids needed to be ready for it before they took that step. Time to come up with new, accurate arguements, we all know you can my dear, you're one of the best!
kayc
I don't think Rafe will take Sydney away, but rather giver Sydney to her rightful mother. You can't steal a baby that someone doesn't want and clearly EJ threw that baby away. I wonder how he's going to get her back now.
BMoreBabe
QUOTE (oldannie @ Nov 6 2009, 11:04 AM) *
at the time Sami conceived Sydney, she and EJ were still married. anytime you try to take a child from his/hers legal parent without consent it is kidnapping. Sami may have wished Rafe was the father but he wasn't. Adopting was illegal also just as Mia not consulting Chad about their baby was not legal either for her to give it away legally. So Rafe and Nicole both attempted to take children in an illegal way. Biological parents usually may not take their children on a plane out of the country without a signed affadavit from both parents giving consent to the trip because of so many kidnappings, running off with children never to be seen again. Yes stupid plot points but it still was kidnapping as EJ was never given a chance to even know his supposed daughter. He has never been proven to be a bad father, Sami has always said what a good father he was/is, so what was the point of all this stupidity. Rafe doesn't mind bending, breaking stretching the rules and laws to benefit what he wants to do. all who you like.



That's not entirely true. I know from personal experiance you don't need anything signed by both parents to take your bio child on a plane. My boyfriend has a child from a previos relationship, they weren't married and they have no real custody agreement other than they are both the parents on his birth certificate, while my bf would never just take his son somewhere w/o telling the mother first, he could if he wanted to. We took him to FL(we live in MD) on a plane and there was no documentation from the other parent required. At one point the mother actually moved to another state, while not far, but still another state, and there was absolutely nothing my bf could do about it, believe me we looked into it.

back to the op tho... I really don't think Rafe is going to try to become Sydney's father. I think he learned from what happened with Grace that doing so is not only harmful to the father but the child as well! I think Rafe is super annoying but I don't think he would try to take EJ's baby from him!
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QUOTE (oldannie @ Nov 6 2009, 11:36 AM) *
dont hate Rafe but find it strange a man who was in law enforcement would even consider taking another mans child - still illegal and not want to marry the mother only have sex with her, sounds like kind of a creep to me. he's not a better man just a horny man. even if the marriage got annulled they were married at the time and living together. all mariages in Salem seem to get annulled. loving a child is one thing but to take her from her father no matter what Sami wanted was wrong. Sami makes lots of decisions she later regrets, thats her m.o.



Great post! Something stange about Rafe. Can he have children? He may just kidnap Sidney himself since Ejami will reunite at some point (of course JMO).
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QUOTE (marlenareturns @ Nov 6 2009, 12:00 PM) *
EJ knows that Sami has given her heart to Rafe. I think he will sue for custody of both kids and will use the fact that he knows about Arianna's "drug dealer" business against him. Rafe will have to give Sami up to protect his sister's cover and so that Sami will be able to keep her kids.

I can see that happening but I think Sami will fight for the man she loves and that is RAFE!!! wub.gif
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QUOTE (kayc @ Nov 6 2009, 01:08 PM) *
I don't think Rafe will take Sydney away, but rather giver Sydney to her rightful mother. You can't steal a baby that someone doesn't want and clearly EJ threw that baby away. I wonder how he's going to get her back now.

Agree with every word!!! Rafe just wants the best for Sami and that is to right the wrong of Sami's baby being taken from her even if it means he loses her in the end because he truely loves her which can not be denied and because he is one of the good guys but Imo he will not lose Sami as she loves him so much and has never been happier and I loved her defending her man to Nicole in the dayahead. wub.gif
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QUOTE (huskygrl @ Nov 6 2009, 12:04 PM) *
If you want to get REALLY technical, Sami was the only parent of Grace by virtue of the annulled marriage and the fact that she did not ever state a father. For EJ to be LEGALLY the daddy he would have had to prove it with a paternity test. So if you'd like to pick nits Sami was the only one to legally (I'm not saying ethically, just legally) have a say in Grace's upbringing. Also, Rafe never said he did not want to marry Sami, he said she and the kids needed to be ready for it before they took that step. Time to come up with new, accurate arguements, we all know you can my dear, you're one of the best!



In my earlier post I was clear that I did not think Rafe has any intention of thinking he is going to be a Father to Sydney, he is well aware this is EJ's place, which is also shown in his being worried about them sharing another child, and his sister is putting this in his head. But just to reflect on your technical post above, basically if you break it down just the opposite with Sydney, EJ has all the rights, and Sami none. EJ is on the brith certificate, has had her since birth, so if you as you said nit pick it as you have stated then EJ would have all legal rights to Sydney until a court decided differently.
volsfan
QUOTE (kayc @ Nov 6 2009, 12:08 PM) *
I don't think Rafe will take Sydney away, but rather giver Sydney to her rightful mother. You can't steal a baby that someone doesn't want and clearly EJ threw that baby away. I wonder how he's going to get her back now.



I dont think getting her back will be an issue. Sami keeps stating over and over she knows how much he loves Sydney, and I think they will have some type of agreement just as she does with Johnny. I dont expect a fight over this baby, Sami and EJ will both know they are her parents, as will Rafe, and I think he accepts this.

And the statement about throwing her away; he had no idea where his crazy wife got this baby when he did this, but knew there was nothing legal about it, and knew or figured someone was looking for their child, and found him understanding of Chad because of this. He could of kicked Bit** Nicole out, but do you think she would have left without her stolen child? No way in he**. I would have done the same thing, anyone in their right mind would. Honestly I would have called the authorities right then and advised that Nicole had come up with a baby that was not hers, and I had no part of it.

I also think the last few days they have shown EJ missing Sydney for a reason, and even confessing this to Sami, it is a must to make all of the story come together in the end.
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I don't see how anyone can read Rafe as "creepy" and EJ a fine man. lol. That's just pretty funny.

Everything Rafe does is for Sami, even uncovering the switch. He's insecure about Sami over it, because of EJ and their history, but he's still willing to do it. Not for himself, for Sami. That's how they're writing the character. EJ may have some moments where his heart grows a bit, but it's still 3 sizes too small tongue.gif

And annie, come on, ma'am, you know you're just being theatrical with that "Rafe stole another man's child" thing. lol. You know Ej's not a good guy.

And does Rafe have some bada-- to him. You bet! But he's overall a good guy, with some human flaws. He told Arianna he's going on with the babyswitch reveal because it's the right thing to do. When it comes down to it, EJ will be her biological father because it's also the right thing to do. EJ will likely not be happy, though. We'll see if he has any gratitude to Rafe for revealing his daughter for him.
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